Another thing to add, I know it's super easy to say when you can see the hole cards but I'd have been tempted to call w/ 88 in the 76o hand - Phil would have just shoved OTR for the full double up if he was going for value and not left like 40k behind.. there was no way he was ever bet/folding with that amount left if it was for value. I've seen him make those ******ed bluffs before and he basically doesn't commit himself all in just in case he gets called because he's so desperate to stay alive and he believes he can still double up and get it in good. Saying that, with Phil's nitty image & the fact that he called Kim's hand you could see why he got the fold.

About to start watching...
How much time is devoted to Kevin Pollack doing impressions?
10-20 minutes?

I was actually referring to his mini-speech about halfway through the 2nd episode about 3-betting. Basically condemning people who 3-bet a lot and something about how a few years ago there were some people "doing a lot of that stuff" that are no longer around (successful).. I was just wondering if someone here had some background on what he's talking about. It kind of sounded like he was calling out a gimmick.

Stupid of them showing up after the bubble burst. Just plain lazy and cheap.

Just sad. Sick of seeing Morey's attention whore buddies playing stupid slide the card games but NO attention to one of the most dramatic moments every year, the bubble bursting. But then you'd have to try to develop a story.

No coverage of the prelim events...

So over WSOP coverage, call me in November... When it counts.

Basically, without the caller and considering Hellmuth's stack size, Daniel would rather see a flop with AK than be put to a decision if Phil shoved.

However, with dead money from the caller in the pot, the equity calculation changes and he can risk Phil shoving because now calling the shove with AK becomes +EV enough.

Over/under on how long until she's discussing being a vegan with Daniel?

Never happen The guy is prob a fish or rec player Helmuth the bully likes to prey on those He wouldnt dare try that with a big name

Yea, it's jacked up this year. Very little promotion.

Plus, the first couple weeks are Sunday on ESPN2, one Wednesday episode, then they switch to Sunday on ESPN. (didn't it used to be on Tuesdays?)

THEN..The final table has been increased to 3 nights (and it bounces around channels).

Here's the schedule in case you get lost:
http://www.wsop.com/news/2015/Aug/74...Y-ON-ESPN.html

Who on ESPN thought it would be a good idea to run the ME head-to-head against the NFL, and how did they get a fantasy sports site to sponsor it???

Well, it's kinda tough since football is on TV Sunday, Monday & Thursday

Yes, and what then is wrong with the Tuesday time slot they've used for years?

you're right..not sure why they lost the Tuesday slot?? Sunday is cheaper?

Probably less a case of "losing" the slot and more of ESPN wanting to bury it since it's no longer a ratings winner. This also would explain the lack of promotion that was alluded to a few posts ago. It's akin to a studio being obligated to give a certain motion picture a wide release, but then realizing it's a dog, so they dump it into the no man's land of August or February.

Segue alert - this kind of reminds me of a hilarious made for TV movie from 25+ years ago called "The Ratings Game" where a network got conned into having to air a terrible show, so they plan to put it against the Super Bowl, but the producer gets wind of this, and decides to wrangle his way into most of the Nielsen homes to have them tune in. The show gets huge ratings and becomes a hit even though no one likes it - they all think they're missing something if they don't watch. That's all - tangent over.....

well that was, errr........a bit crap!

It must be that they couldn't get the same money they've gotten in the past, since this year there is a new main sponsor, and they basically told DraftKings "here are the slots you get for that price."

Next Tuesday at 8:00 ESPN has a baseball game and ESPN2 has a WNBA game.

It amounts to a double drop for the WSOP. Off the main network into the one with lower viewership and into a less desirable time slot.

Another one we can blame on the evil Preet Bharara.

Iater

So would it be correct to say he's only super nitty when it comes to putting his tournament life on the line? He did a bunch of stuff in the first episode that didn't fit the image of a nit when he wasn't putting his whole stack in. I seem to recall he also played pretty LAGgy on one of the Pokerstars Big Game shows with the "loose cannons."

3 betting often is not a strategy Daniel agrees with. He likes raising 2x and calling raises to see lots of flops where he feels he can outplay opponents. It's the small ball approach.
Someone 3 betting too often will get attacked with 4 bets and defends almost every time. Their 3 bets have very little fold equity.

In this case Daniel was going to stick to his small ball approach (if the small blind folded) and disguise the strength of his AK by just calling from the big blind. He was ahead of Hellmuth's late position raise and setting up a potential big trap with the AK. He knows Hellmuth is tight enough player that he will usually fold worse than AK to three bets (AQ and maybe AJ only worse hands he will call with) and call/raise with better (any pair). However, AK plays terribly post flop against more than one opponent. The small blind calling changed the entire dynamic of the hand. Daniel goes from trapping with a likely 60+ percent favorite to an underdog if he sees a three way flop. There are enough chips in the pot after the SB calls that Daniel was happy to just raise and take it with the intent of calling a shove. He played the hand very well. It would have been stupid for Daniel to call and see a flop three way and it would have been ******ed to fold to the shove in a spot where he is almost always flipping or chopping (Daniel even says "We must have the same hand") especially against a player he has well covered. If he called the shove with JJ and sucked out then maybe I can see Hellmuth getting mad but AK is a must call.

If Hellmuth did not want to race for his tourney life then he should be mad at himself. He could have Nit called the three bet and taken a flop in position, then fold if an Ace or King hits. He's still getting full value against hands like JJ on low flops. Hellmuth was being a huge baby after the elimination but who didn't see that coming. He is the best tourney player I've ever seen for sure and is definitely a poker genius but that doesn't give him the right to berate lesser players. Daniel isn't a poker genius by any stretch but he played this hand well. Hellmuth is just upset he was beaten by an inferior player. Too bad. Being the best doesn't mean getting the results you deserve in a game where luck is involved.

You could use PH's exact logica against him. He can say Daniel made a dumb play because PH would only ship QQ+ and Daniel could just as easily respond that PH shoving there is a dumb play because DN is only calling with QQ+ and AK.

Whether or not any of those ranges are true is not the point of course. If PH is as great as he says he is then probably flattingthere makes more sense using his post game sore loser logic.

Helmuth's exit speech made my stomach turn.

More than Negreanu's "420! Whahhh Whuut!" [Hand motion]

Hi phil

it was great tv...but this side game bs and not showing day 1 or the bubble burst is a huge misstep by espn.

What if he had a value hand but he simply didn't think Kim would call a shove? In other words, what if he wanted to make sure he got paid off for something?

As a fan of poker, I want to at least see all the days of the main event if they aren't going to show other events.