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Can someone explain this stud rule? Can someone explain this stud rule?

06-07-2014 , 02:13 PM
This has to do with a premature burn and turn in stud.I know the rule for hold em but the stud one seems confusing.The rule is from Robert's rules of poker but seems to be universal.It reads as follows:

If the dealer burns and deals one or more cards before a round of betting has been completed, the card(s) must be eliminated from play. After the betting for that round is completed, an additional card for each remaining player still active in the hand is also eliminated from play (to later deal the same cards to the players who would have received them without the error). After that round of betting has concluded, the dealer burns a card and play resumes. The removed cards are held off to the side in the event the dealer runs out of cards. If the prematurely dealt card is the final downcard and has been looked at or intermingled with the player's other holecards, the player must keep the card, and on sixth street betting may not bet or raise (because the player now has all seven cards).

The part i don't understand is the additional card for each player still in the hand is also removed to later deal the same cards to who would have received them.Does the additional cards mean off the top of the deck?Any explanation to this would be helpful,thanks.
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06-07-2014 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by racecar

The part i don't understand is the additional card for each player still in the hand is also removed to later deal the same cards to who would have received them.Does the additional cards mean off the top of the deck?Any explanation to this would be helpful,thanks.
It's the same logic for an early turn in hold'em. If it happens in hold'em, you compete the action, burn, then bring the original river card as the turn card. This way, only one card is changed.

Same logic here. The burn all the cards that would have be given on Xth street, so that all the payers receive the card they would have received on X+1th street. And yes, they come off the top of the deck.
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06-07-2014 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by SirRawrsALot
It's the same logic for an early turn in hold'em. If it happens in hold'em, you compete the action, burn, then bring the original river card as the turn card. This way, only one card is changed.

Same logic here. The burn all the cards that would have be given on Xth street, so that all the payers receive the card they would have received on X+1th street. And yes, they come off the top of the deck.
I'm still confused.Lets say there are 3 players,a,b and c.The final upcard on 4th street is delivered to player c.The action starts with player a,who checks,as does b.Before c acts the dealer burns and turns 5th street to player a,lets say its the 5 of hearts.Player c says wait i didn't act yet.What happens at this point?according to the rules any premature card can't be used,regardless if the final player checks or folds.In holdem a premature turn card would be removed but reshuffled so it may come out again.There is no reshuffle here so what happens to the 5 of hearts?
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06-07-2014 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by racecar
so what happens to the 5 of hearts?
Depends what happens after C acts. Lets say C bets and the other two players call. The 5 of hearts and the next 2 cards off the top get set aside. Then the dealer burns another card and deals everyone the next street. Those cards set aside are only used if the dealer runs out of cards before the hand is over.
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06-07-2014 , 05:15 PM
OP wants to know why: I put it down to superstition. The players want to get the cards that they were 'supposed' to get. So if the additional cards aren't dealt (yes, they come off the top of the deck) the first player to get a card after action is complete gets the card that the other player was supposed to get. Can't have that so action gets completed and, if it goes all the way, the final cards are actually 8th street but in the order that they 'should' have been dealt.
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07-04-2014 , 05:33 PM
To give players a chance to get back that card. The point is to attempt to keep the game going as smoothly as possible and as if everything happened the way it should have.

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