And also: is the PT4 ev-line for 6max HT a good indication for how much I oughta have won/lost?

15%

Why you even here? Aren't there some LGBT-parades you can go troll somewhere?

Lolwat? Wtf does that even mean? You asked for the good roi for 3.5 6max and I told you. It's 15%. If you were getting like 10-12% thats still pretty solid. Seriously hope that was some misclick wrong thread post.

Are there guys getting 15%? That seems rather high.

I was getting 8% EV when I was playing around in 7s for a little while so it's just an estimation. Most people that could get it would move up. I'd say 10-12 is def possible though.

I was pretty sure you were trolling. I take it you aren't and I'm sorry. HT, btw, = hyper turbo. Ain't nobody ever got 15 % in 6-max hyper turbos $3.5 (or any limit for that matter). I'm at 4 % and I thought that was pretty high.

What was with the LGBT comment tho? I didn't understand that.

Oh, and 4% isn't high.

No I wasn't trolling. Like I said, I was getting 8% EV in 7s when I dropped down to play them for curiosity less than a year ago. If I were to play 3.5s starting tomorrow for 20k games, I don't doubt in the slightest that I would get over 10%. 15% may be slightly high but not out of the realm of possibility. You can do at least 5% even in the 15s, so no, 4% in 3.5s is not high. The reason you don't see people getting 10%+ is because anyone good enough for that moves up, but you asked what is good overall, not what's good for the average reg playing 3.5s.

And none of that addresses the whole LGBT comment, which I have no clue where that even came from, to the point that I thought you meant to post in a different thread. You want to explain that one?

kk. 15 % imo was so high it couldn't be true for anybody at any stakes (at hyper turbo). Since 15% is impossible - and I thought everybody on earth would agree to that - I concluded that you were trolling. And if you wanted reactions on your trolling - LGBT-members are more likely to argue back with you than poker geeks in online forum. Not the best chosen example to highlight my point, but I was tired and a little frustrated cuz I thought you were pissing on my post. (Obv no offense to the LGBT-community - on contrary I, as well as all people with 1/2 brain, support their cause for equal rights. )

Went to sharkscope to check some stats. Calculated ROI for 4 of the 5 top earners (that were both on leaderboard for profit and count).

leshiy588 profit 5.4K games : 113K 1.4 %
a1yosha profit 4.2K games: 38K 3.3 %
44hell profit 3.1K games: 112K 0.8%
belovcaxa profit 2.5K games: 16K 4.7%

10%+ over 10K sample is something I wouldn't believe until I saw it. Not for $3.5 or for any other stake. I'm not saying you're not good at 6-max HT, I'm saying I don't think you know what you're talking about.

OK so I don't know what I'm talking about. So what amount of money would you like to put up that I can get higher that 10% EV over a 10k sample in 3.5 6 max hypers? And of course since you think it's impossible, you'd be willing to give me good odds, say 4:1? You posted a bunch of stats from guys that are playing 3.5s, obviously the highest possible rois come from guys that already play higher than that. Of those guys the highest was 4.7%, so what does it mean when I drop a sample in here of a guy that I coached that was beating 15s for 4.5% with no game selection before I moved him up. You really think that if he drops down 2 stake levels his winrate doesn't double? Add a lower table count and game selection on top of that and boom, 10%. And he's just a student (albeit a very good one).

What's wrong with you? I'm a curious low stake guy looking for friendly, useful facts regarding my current stake. Instead I got hostile, uneducated guesstimates. I don't wanna bet vs you. That doesn't make my belief that you or very few other people could achieve 10% + any less strong. And even if somebody really good (maybe that's you) drops down and gets it done, that stat still wouldn't be relevant to question in topic of this thread - as I was asking for guys at that stake.

I actually agree with the OP here. It was really inappropriate of you guys to accuse him of hate crimes against minorities like that...

Oh wait. My bad.

Lol is this real life?

Let's recap shall we:

After I gave you a perfectly valid response, this was your reply:

If you're a low stakes player looking for advice/info, dont be a dick when someone gives it. Even after you were a colossal asshat, I still provided you with reasonable estimates based on years of experience, and then backed them up with even more info of how I came to those conclusions. Just because a good roi in 3.5s doesn't jive with what YOU think is good or what YOU are making doesn't mean that what is possible changes. My estimate that I gave to you was based on having played over 150k 6 max hypers at all stake levels and also coaching other players who have also played at every stake level from 1.5s to 1ks. Then you try to backwalk and say you didn't want to know what's theoretically possible, just what lower stakes inexperienced players such as yourself are making, even though that wasn't said anywhere in your thread title or OP (Thread title says "what's a good ROI for 3.5 6 max HT" not "what ROI do average regs playing 3.5 6 max HT make"). And if that's really what you wanted to know, why would you make a thread about it, since you obviously know how to use Sharkscope and could have easily looked up the data for yourself.

Still makes zero sense

I posted on 2+2 as I thought it was a faster/easier way of getting answers + I might get a conversation about the topic instead of just numbers from SS.

Why would you assume "Whats an ok/good ROI for $3.5 6-max HT?" asks for
1) the theoretical limit for really good players dropping down
instead of
2) the average ROI of winning regs at that stake ?

I meant 2) and I thought that was pretty clear, but I'm relatively new and inexperienced with 2+2 and how it works/what's being discussed here.

I was a 100 % sure you were trolling when you said 15 % and I thought I was being a dick to a dick.

This thread is rapidly losing decency, with condescending tones and namecalling, I'll take my share of the credit for that. But I don't wanna argue - I'd probably just lose anyways.


But you actually think 15% is doable and you're willing to bet on yourself making 10%? If you're right that means I got tons and tons of stuff left to learn and I should be studying like crazy.

You've played 150k games so you obviously know a thing or 2 about the format. Are you willing to give some really rough beginners advice to an asshat?

I thought sandman was trolling and being a dick and I was suggesting an equally dickish pastime for the person/troll I (at that time) believed him/her to be.
I was comparing him to people trolling [demonstrating against] LGBT-parades, not endorsing such activities.

That kind of logic makes me think that you should be happy at 4%

And while I think 15% isn't attainable, I do think 10 is possible. So yeah, study up.

OP you got some good input, probably more than this thread deserved. Thread has run its course.