Nothing to add here. Great comments!

I can see myself leading turn 80 and def leading out river to get value for 4 or 7 or smth more ridic. If villian checks turn often we really wanna lead imo.

This is one of those infuriating hands where OP simply wants confirmation that what he already thinks is right. If you already believe the guy won't ever bluff, value bet. Why even ask the question?

I'm still struggling to see how if we showed strength by check/calling the flop and checking the turn, why villain will now think we have a worse hand than 3x. You want two things to be true at the same time that can't often be: that we showed more strength but that we actually only have a missed draw. We can't even have that many draws to start with, given that one came in (entim has to have misread the board).

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leading the turn is LOLbad.

and this is the easiest value bet on the river ever. if you are not betting this river for value don't play heads up.

I agree, but it is amazing to see how many players disagree and check

Really don't get it. Would only be lol bad if you never float donk bluff. Elaborate why its LOLBAD. Ive played some 20k 50$ ST HUs fwiw.

What I really dont get is how in 2 posts in 2 different forums no one ever says "fold pre".

I mean is it really that standard to call a raise being oop, having 12.5BBs and T6s.

This is a pretty standard call in my opinion. T6s plays pretty good and you get great odds to call. Your OOP but still I think it is an easy call.

Sir we have 25bb insta defend vs his huge range. I would reckon a large % of this forum would said fold pre to half of bernards defend range

Turn brings a 3rd diamond. We have none. We have TP. Villian will check back turn with any diamond, 3,4,5,6,7. If he bets turn, hes repping absolutly nothing but some big draws(which he would most likely check), big PPs, 56 or a T. Villian will call turn bet with all the mentioned hands above.
Op will not only bet turn with made hands. This is rather important.

River is a brick. In villians view, hes not calling any bet. If he was repping anything on the flop, the turn and river are really ****ty. If he was just doing it cuz he does it %75 of the time, then he can actually try to rep a T or J. More a Jack than a T, since he checks turn.

Given the shallowness of hypers, theres probly merit in thinking the wont spew off anything on river with air and just check... That only Bernardc knows... Super important to know what kinda villian he is. Because all we really know is that you sit him and cbets 75%. If i knew this guy tipically cbets ip, then shuts down completely IP if he doenst hit anything, then you can make a decision of whether check turn, bet river, or bet turn etc...
If villian is type that will not give up on a hand if shown any sorta of weakness on turn and then river, i would expect him to throw in some chips in the middle. But if hes villian described first, i doubt hes gonna be making too many hero call on rivers with much worse.



Im just saying thats the way i would play the hand this one time. I dont see anything wrong with checking back turn , then leading river and hope for a hero call at best.

It is very interesting hand and you can play it in many ways that aren't particular wrong.
The only thing that is terrible is folding preflop and folding to his c-bet. raising c-bet sometimes seems fine as well. Leading on turn seems ok in some situations were villain does not bluff too much on turn. But i still think betting the river is much better then checking.

If villian is type that will not give up on a hand if shown any sorta of weakness on turn and then river, i would expect him to throw in some chips in the middle. But if hes villian described first, i doubt hes gonna be making too many hero call on rivers with much worse.

I made the bet on river and he folded and he didn't continu his bluff on turn and he probably did not have 4 or 3 or ace high because he folded to my riverbet.
So you are right about how you catogorize this opponent and I was wrong in this hand. Leading turn would have been better vs guy that doesn't bluff on scary cards on turn.

Thanks a lot for your share in this discussion!