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Two hands played suboptimally? Two hands played suboptimally?

05-01-2017 , 03:44 PM
Anyone have thoughts on how to best play the following two hands vs what is shown. Looking for different perspectives, i.e. ICM, eV, etc.

No read on villains.

Hand 1:
6-max hyper
UTG 39bb
HJ: 16bb
CO (Hero): 5bb
Btn: 15bb
SB: 11bb
BB: 14bb
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ah Ac]
UTG folds
HJ folds
Hero raises 30 to 60
Btn raises 401 to 461 and is all-in
SB folds
BB folds
Hero calls 77 and is all-in
*** FLOP *** [4d 8s Td]
*** TURN *** [4d 8s Td] [2c]
*** RIVER *** [4d 8s Td 2c] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Hand 2:
6-max hyper
CO: 25bb
Btn: 25bb
SB (Hero): 32bb
BB: 25bb
UTG: 19bb
HJ: 24bb
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [Ks Kh]
UTG folds
HJ raises 20 to 40
CO calls 40
Btn folds
Hero raises 60 to 100
BB folds
HJ calls 60
CO calls 60
*** FLOP *** [8h Qh Js]
Hero bets 140
CO folds
Btn raises 140 to 280
Hero raises 258 to 538 and is all-in
Btn calls 116 and is all-in
*** TURN *** [8h Qh Js] [4c]
*** RIVER *** [8h Qh Js 4c] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***

Thanks
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05-02-2017 , 02:30 AM
I don't think it matters in hand 1 if u jam or raise any other size. It's good that you question hands that seem to be obvious decisions btw

Raising non-ai in hand 2 is a good idea to keep hands in that'd fold to a 3b jam. However the size is too small, u're giving good enough odds for Ax hands to call.
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05-02-2017 , 05:33 AM
Think of your range. Why not open shove 5bb AA? What is your min raise range here in hand one?

Hand two seems standard, a probably a fish min raising otf. Could be bottom pair, air, or nuts. nh
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05-02-2017 , 10:57 AM
Hand 1 - I'd probably min raise call my whole range I want to get in with a 5bb stack.

Hand 2 - personally I would rejam my AK/77 type hands, so I jam KK/AA for balance. Funky small raises set of alarm bells for me, so unless you plan some funky min 3bet bluffs I think shoving looks weaker.
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05-02-2017 , 01:41 PM
Hand 1:
When i see some one min raising close to half their stack it appears like a way stronger move than just shoving 5 BBs. Your opponent didn't pick up on that it appears. I would either call for a trap but risk alot of limpers or shove.

Hand 2:
I like your preflop play (could be a larger 3 bet to give AX worse price). Your flop play not so much. QJ8 with two hearts is a very connected board that hits both of your opponents range. I like to go into bluff catching mode (or even consider a fold) with an over pair against a board this wet and against two players. You can just call the flop and see if a heart or a straight card comes and then go from there on the turn.
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05-02-2017 , 03:36 PM
Another question (perhaps obvious to some, but not to me as yet): Within the universe of +ev decisions should my bet-sizing also be aimed at inducing as many folds as possible when I have strong, non-nuts hands? I feel like I aim to win big with these types hands then often meet coolers. Over the long-term is it better to win just the blinds, or a few extra chips pre-turn?

LS: Please advise a more effective bet size to ward of Ax and could you describe quantitatively how you came up with it?

Pokerbrud: Guess an open shove would seem weaker and lure in more callers? (As suggested by colin and murstyle?)

Colinb7 and mursytle: Thanks for advice on sizing. Need to use the rock/paper/scissors decision process a bit more effectively. I was raising smalls to invite more money in the pot but I guess that move is transparent to solid regs so I should have alternatively shoved.
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05-04-2017 , 11:26 PM
The first hand should be a shove, when you have 5 BB's in a hyper turbo its push or fold. Pushing looks weaker, it looks desperate to try and steal the blinds to survive, thus you will most likely get called by most Ax and KQ kinda hands. So just shove those premium hands. Minraising looks suspicious, and with minraising you give suited connector hands a cheap price to see if they hit on the flop.

The second hand, a proper betsizing for a 3bet there would be like 150. When you 3bet a general good size is 3 times the current bet, which is 40. So 3x40=120. But there is already 1 person before you that limped in, so for every person that limps you want to add a bit extra.

Your sizing is to low, it makes it to attractive for both players to check out the flop. And kings is a very good hand but playing it postflop multiway can be hard. Makes straights and flushes more dangerous, thus its better to raise bigger to isolate and go headsup on the flop.

The second hand you can also just jam all-in like someone else suggested. Which is what i would do, there are already 2 people that voluntarily put money in the pot so its quite likely that you will get called when you shove in a hyper here. And you can add some suited connectors / low pocket pairs in your shoving range here to balance and try to steal the pot.
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05-06-2017 , 02:45 PM
Thanks G.
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