Hey 2+2, first post on this forum!

First of all I am a low stakes stt player.

Atm I am playing 15 tables tiled (maximum i can have on my monitor) profitably, but I want to put my volume in and upgrade to 20-30 tables, so I tried obviously i need to begin stacking my tables. I've tried it w. 15-20 tables (which I can play profitable tiled), but I seem to lose money when doing it.

Does anybody in here have som good tips of the transition from tiled to stacked? And just playing stacked tables in general

Note: I am playing on a mac so I don't have the options of using tableninja, table of interest etc.

Thanks in Advance

Do you feel playing stacked affected your decisions?

I guess it did in some way bc when tiling my tables i see what people call shoves and shove with, so I guess it's mainly my late game that isn't working bc it used to help me a lot noticing what villains were shoving and calling shoves with.

With so many tables stacked i only get to make my decision before action goes to next table so I won't see any other players action, after me

ya thats the biggest difference, u wont get to see action nor gain reads. But, when tiling 15 tables i dont see how u can observe much anyway. Rely on a hud, stacking is infinite times easier for mass tabling.

Welcome to 2+2!

I think every serious poker player should consider buying a computer with Windows. It's -EV to be limited in functionality of auxiliary software and even be unable to play at some fishy rooms [which is however less relevant for SnGs; that said, iPoker, a network with sufficient traffic at small stakes, has no fully functional client for Mac].

However, many people successfully use Windows tools with Parallels (Windows emulator for Mac); but remember to test any software in play money games before grinding with it.

Collin Moshman's 4 commandments (aka MOSH) that appeared in his recent video 'guide to mass multitabling' are:

I'm a tiler myself as I like to make pre-folds wherever I see trash dealt to free a bit of time for thinking, but stacking has benefits too, e.g. you don't get to sweat all-ins (a significant tilt factor).

Have hotkeys (Stars' built-in ones suffice) for as many actions as possible to save time up for difficult decisions.

To gain reads, mark potentially interesting hands (e.g. where you're going to make an unusual move) in progress while you're still seeing that table. After the session, review hands and study leaks of your most frequent opponents first.

Another good idea is to switch auto-closure of tourneys on completion off and marking opponents in tourneys you're bust out of (ideally during the tourney life, but we don't have much time for that, you know). However, this plan needs an AHK script that suppresses that annoying popup offering to play in another SnG... I should write it sometime.

Hi ****,

First of all, thanks for replying!

Well yeah, using a Mac is probably -ev due to the limited amount of options regarding software. My plan is actually to buy a windows with some of my BR at some point. I could just go out and buy it right away but I'm thinking that buying a computer for poker w. the money you earned from poker, is going to be a really nice feeling, so I'm aiming for that.

Actually I like the benefit of stacking (the one w. tilting) a lot, because it really takes a lot of emotion out of the game, which can be a huge leak!

I am using hotkeys, and very well imo. I have hotkeys for every betsize, folding, calling, all-in etc. etc.

Thanks for some great advice!

combo of stacking and tiling or you're doing it wrong

You could also just bypass the problem and buy a bigger or second monitor instead?

Yeah but as previous poster mentioned, I think it's important to be able to run tableninja, pokerstove etc.

Can you explain that? Just a stack of tables and the rest of the screen filled w. tiled tables?

Awice's blog post covers this and some other good multitabling tips, not sure if I'm allowed to post the link, but here it is:

http://blog.prismata.net/2014/06/24/...al-and-income/

Stack and tile and the ninjatile function of TN2 do similar thing, tiles the tables with action and stacks the rest.

You mentioned you miss out on villain late game push/call ranges; I use notecaddy and created badges to define these ranges (you need hm2 though to run notecaddy, so you need windows).

Hey Monkeyheaven,

Great advice, and that link has some really interesting points, but again it only relates to windows users :-(

Theres part of your problem

why people buy mac, is it a hipster thing? what benefits does it have, or is there only downside and people still buy it?

Bought it before I was even thinking about poker, and I think it's more smooth to navigate around on, other than that, no benfits -.-

+1 to hipster thing

Hmm, I can easily 22-table 9-man hypers while stacking my tables, occasionally I manually drag a table aside if it needs extra attention.

I just tried two sessions with "Stack and Tile" and I just couldn't manage it. Probably just not used to looking all over the screen for tables but this seems way harder then just stacking?

Takes getting used to for sure. I don't use SaT anymore although I think my recommendation for it is still on the SaT site and I definitely still strongly agree with my opinion, I just don't table that hard anymore so don't need it.

I just have hotkeyable 'slots' set up in TN2 so i can 1 click hotkey a game out. I have 5 of these 'slots' to go along with my main stack that all tables pop up into (top left corner of screen). Tends to be bubble/hu games or a spot where I want to see what someone shows up with or something of that nature