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Old 01-12-2011, 12:40 AM   #106
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I don't even have thaaaaaat many regs color coded (but a fair amount I guess) and I've found games anywhere between $16-$60 with literally 7+ regs, often in multiple games. I know several people have mentioned this before but even though $60 is obviously a higher buy in, some of the toughest lower stakes (in this case, $16) are tougher than the softer higher stake ($27-60) games.. But yeah I would say the regging on top of regs issue is more of an issue at higher stakes (I won't call anyone out, I probably am perceived by some to be guilty myself..?) because of SN and particularly SNE chasing.
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Old 01-12-2011, 05:37 AM   #107
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Could we have a thread to discuss the current state of the 16s and the issues that are obv concerning to a lot of us? It's kinda headed that way...

All I'll say for the timebeing when I started playing the 16s there were some really good regs - twistedecho, glitlr, cardsoup, 7castle then you had some of the long term regs who are itt. The difference is they werent all in the same game. I'm not gonna name names but I'm sure a lot of us have played 1k hands with some players who are showing nova and think they are pretty damn bad. I'm not saying I'm good or whatever but I have a job when all I can play is 1200 games a month I'd like a win rate of close to $1 a game at the moment this is getting considerably harder.

Fwiw I load a fresh set 99% of the time and there are about 5-7 people who'd make me unregister some of these may register below some might not.

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Old 01-12-2011, 06:25 AM   #108
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There is no point calling out people and get mad over this, cause its our personal choice to either table select or not. There are people who think they are better than you and they certainly are, so whats the point avoiding you, its up to you to decide whatever its worth to play him or not.
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Old 01-12-2011, 06:39 AM   #109
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I must be bad, i reg for 39 6 max last night and 4 winning regs joined behind me

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Old 01-12-2011, 06:42 AM   #110
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Mavs I'm not sure if that was to me or not. There are (a lot of) people definitely better than me playing the 16s and it's no problem if they wanna register over me. I'm not moaning - it's as you say it's upto anyone to decide if they wanna play against X Y or Z.
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Old 01-12-2011, 08:21 AM   #111
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Table selection is an underated skill...it's no coincidence thats players such as md and pezrez who table select religiously are massive winners. Both excellent players ofcourse but they put their ego aside.
Table selection is good, but as Fattyownz pointed out, it sometimes is not enough. You table select too militantly and you end up with 2 tables only. This year I have been Playing on smaller and softer sites, where a 12% ROI player is of the same standard as a Break-Even player on Stars. Consequently I can keep 2-3 of these sites open, and play exclusively soft tables, I can play Stars tables at the start of a session to get volume up, and at the end for timing purposes (to make sure my games finish at the same time-ish). The only other time I need to play on Stars is if the tables aren't popping on any of the sites (which happens often).

It is perhaps unwise to be concerned about your Pokerstars stats, or to set VPP goals early on in the year. Poker is about $$$, and maximizing our hourly rate. If you set a goal of SN or SNE at the start of the year, you may end up spending more hours/week playing, for less money. It is a good idea to set goals to motivate yourself, but in the first few months it might be safer to set tentative goals. If you want SNE, try and see if you can keep the pace for the first 3 months, but if the tables are too tough, or the swings negatively impact on your mental health and real life outside of poker, you can just adapt your goals, since they are not firmly set in your mind.

It is also safest to set goals with a buffer in them, if you set a goal which is only just attainable if you play 35 hours/week, then if you fall behind you may find it very hard to claw those hours back, and may have to resort to playing stakes/tables you are not happy with. If a family misfortune were to happen, you would want to be able to be there to support your wife/parents/children, without being worried about how hard it will be to make up the hours.

Slightly off topic but is there a regulars thread for people like us, couldn't see one when I searched?
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Old 01-12-2011, 10:03 AM   #112
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So you're the guy that described me as an "average reg, kinda spewy"
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Old 01-12-2011, 10:09 AM   #113
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Haha was prob a tilted level but dunno who you are though unless I did it in the game.

In the words of hiebes: fi - many a player better than me have been called this.

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Old 01-12-2011, 10:23 AM   #114
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Table selection is good, but as Fattyownz pointed out, it sometimes is not enough. You table select too militantly and you end up with 2 tables only. This year I have been Playing on smaller and softer sites, where a 12% ROI player is of the same standard as a Break-Even player on Stars. Consequently I can keep 2-3 of these sites open, and play exclusively soft tables, I can play Stars tables at the start of a session to get volume up, and at the end for timing purposes (to make sure my games finish at the same time-ish). The only other time I need to play on Stars is if the tables aren't popping on any of the sites (which happens often).

It is perhaps unwise to be concerned about your Pokerstars stats, or to set VPP goals early on in the year. Poker is about $$$, and maximizing our hourly rate. If you set a goal of SN or SNE at the start of the year, you may end up spending more hours/week playing, for less money. It is a good idea to set goals to motivate yourself, but in the first few months it might be safer to set tentative goals. If you want SNE, try and see if you can keep the pace for the first 3 months, but if the tables are too tough, or the swings negatively impact on your mental health and real life outside of poker, you can just adapt your goals, since they are not firmly set in your mind.

It is also safest to set goals with a buffer in them, if you set a goal which is only just attainable if you play 35 hours/week, then if you fall behind you may find it very hard to claw those hours back, and may have to resort to playing stakes/tables you are not happy with. If a family misfortune were to happen, you would want to be able to be there to support your wife/parents/children, without being worried about how hard it will be to make up the hours.

Slightly off topic but is there a regulars thread for people like us, couldn't see one when I searched?
Good post, I stepped away from stars when I lost my Supernova status about a year and a half ago. (had to go away traveling) And have been on FTP for the most part and have done very well on there, the games are a lot softer than stars.

I feel with stars its a case of the Reward program, it doesn't make sense for regs to play against other good regs when there are sites that are softer by a mile. I'm guilty of this too (going for SNE) but i never enter a game with more than 2 regs and even then i take a peek who it is. If i reg first im not going to unreg for the most part.

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Old 01-12-2011, 10:58 AM   #115
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any of you playin for profits?

u morons are retro HAHAHAHAHAHA

rb it is bitches

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Old 01-12-2011, 11:59 AM   #116
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Could we have a thread to discuss the current state of the 16s and the issues that are obv concerning to a lot of us? It's kinda headed that way...

All I'll say for the timebeing when I started playing the 16s there were some really good regs - twistedecho, glitlr, cardsoup, 7castle then you had some of the long term regs who are itt. The difference is they werent all in the same game. I'm not gonna name names but I'm sure a lot of us have played 1k hands with some players who are showing nova and think they are pretty damn bad. I'm not saying I'm good or whatever but I have a job when all I can play is 1200 games a month I'd like a win rate of close to $1 a game at the moment this is getting considerably harder.

Fwiw I load a fresh set 99% of the time and there are about 5-7 people who'd make me unregister some of these may register below some might not.

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Old 01-12-2011, 12:39 PM   #117
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Don't have enough time to read it all, but I would suggest marking all players by roi by category (you are going to have to use best judgment for fish) based on stake you play. You then make a speadsheet which averages accounting so that all players lose in aggregate by totl rake %. Run a few likely situations thru the spreadheet. This will give you an idea of how much you lose or gain and whether or not you are +ev in a game. This dosnt account for how well someone game selects do you should use good judgment if some breakseven but constably plays in 8 reg games. Hope this helps.
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Old 01-12-2011, 01:56 PM   #118
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Thanks for the shout out there, guy, dont know who you are but I appreciate you noting my "badness". I'm sure all you did was sharkscope me for 9 man SNGs and was like "wow, a guy who-18-24 tables and breaks even all the time." I didn't start playing 9 man SNGs till December. I was playing 18's, 45s, and 180s before that so I'm new at this (which I did modestly ok at). Doesn't mean I dont table select, I try to load under the few regs that I have mapped out (not as many as Id like because I havent played enough games yet obviously) but most of the time I end up with 3-4 regs in my games anyway. In the end, at this point, I dont care. 9 mans are waaaay different than what I'm used to and I have to learn the game. So i want as many games as possible to study and analyze spots as well as just getting experience from playing them. Knowing that I'm going to be break even for awhile, the only way I'll see any profit is rakeback. So guess what? More games. Before you call someone out, take a second, think, and then don't.
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Old 01-12-2011, 02:23 PM   #119
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^aaaaaaaaand this is why we never have and never will have a "regs" thread.
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Thanks for the shout out there, guy, dont know who you are but I appreciate you noting my "badness". I'm sure all you did was sharkscope me for 9 man SNGs and was like "wow, a guy who-18-24 tables and breaks even all the time." I didn't start playing 9 man SNGs till December. I was playing 18's, 45s, and 180s before that so I'm new at this (which I did modestly ok at). Doesn't mean I dont table select, I try to load under the few regs that I have mapped out (not as many as Id like because I havent played enough games yet obviously) but most of the time I end up with 3-4 regs in my games anyway. In the end, at this point, I dont care. 9 mans are waaaay different than what I'm used to and I have to learn the game. So i want as many games as possible to study and analyze spots as well as just getting experience from playing them. Knowing that I'm going to be break even for awhile, the only way I'll see any profit is rakeback. So guess what? More games. Before you call someone out, take a second, think, and then don't.

lol what a post, cannot facepalm enough
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