QQ+, sets, straights, 2 prs

I think he shows up with a combo draw/overpair enough here to go with QQ+

No way @ fold preflop to the min 4bet, you're getting a great price vs a hand range thats mostly paying off if you hit.

Imo that hand is played well.

He lost half his stack on a hand that easily should have been folded pf... I don't think it was played well...

Dr_Jeckyl,
There is rly no other way to play that Q9ss hand after you 3bet pf. Betting the flop there is so bad. You can call the min raise because your getting direct pot odds and its very easy to know when to stack off, and the other guy is never folding. (Hint if you can beat AA go allin)
Kleath,
Your AK hand is a very very easy fold pf.

I guess I am looking at it differently... my point is that it should have been folded pf, no initial bet, just fold.

I guess, as played it was played well.... but he still lost 1/2 his stack, but I guess he could have lost more

you haven't been playing cash for very long so i'll let you in on a secret:

there is no correlation between playing hands well and profit.

In retrospect, and after talking it over with some other folks, I think you're right that shoving a blank river had you bet and been flat called on the turn would be bad.

I was thinking that the hands he might still be in there with like JT and QT might call a shove (which would be about a pot sized bet at that point) but would check behind if you checked. After thinking about how the hand played out it's unlikely those hands can call a river shove.

I've been trying to incorporate Devin's, "bet and let them figure out what they can call with" theory a little but this probably isn't the spot for it.

villain is 20/4/1/128hands

I figured this CRAI had to mean that I was beaten. One guy had been chating in box that they're tired of me bullying. My stats 25/22/3/147 hands at this table.

Good fold?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

CO ($26)
Button ($24.65)
SB ($8.10)
BB ($16.80)
UTG ($34.95)
UTG+1 ($24.55)
MP1 ($25.75)
Hero ($80.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with J, J.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.75, 4 folds, UTG calls $1.50, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls $1.50.

Flop: ($5.85) 5, 6, Q (3 players)
UTG checks, MP1 checks, Hero bets $4, UTG raises to $33.2, MP1 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $13.85

The CRAI huge overbet looks quite a bit like a flush draw but he could also have a set or something like KQ or QT.

I would just let it go without a more specific read especially if you're easily outplaying these guys.

Dr Jeck,

I think it's a good fold. Sometimes it's a draw, sometimes it's I HAVE TOP PAIR AND I DON'T WANT TO GET SUCKED OUT ON!!!

Either way, you're usually either barely ahead or way behind which isn't a good time to get your stack in.

"I've been trying to incorporate Devin's, "bet and let them figure out what they can call with" theory"


He's claiming that's his theory? For shame Devin... for shame.

Ha ha - my bad. I've just seen him make that comment several times when responding to posts so I credited him with the theory.

To be fair, I heard it from someone too, so it isn't mine either.

I have been focusing on cash since Aug and I've played 14,400 hands, w/ 5.9 ptbb/100 at $25NL.

my other stats are 23/17/2.

What is a good sample size to indicate ok to move up to $50NL?

What are BR requirements for cash?

Sorry if this is a bad question

Jeck,

A good sample size for cash is way more hands than you should play before moving up. 100k breakeven stretches aren't unheard of, even among good players.

I think a good BR standard is 50 buyins, more if poker is your sole source of income / you can't tolerate a high ROR, less if it's a hobby / you don't mind a higher ROR. Of course you get by with less at small stakes too, since those games aren't terribly difficult.

Jeck, bankroll really depends on your personal situation and if you're dependent on money from poker or playing recreationally. The standard advice is 20 to 30 buyins.

If I was you I would move up as soon as you feel comfortable doing it and you have a good bankroll for the next level. More important than the number of hands and your results (if we're considering smallish samples) is if you honestly feel like you're playing well at a given level.

Just move up to 50nl when you're rolled for it. Play is slightly better than 25nl but not by much.

BR for cash is typically 20 buyins, but once you start getting into the really aggro games 2/4+ people suggest 30 buyins+. You can get away with less up until about 200nl if you know you're a winner at the level you're playing.

holy **** 50 buyins? I don't think I could ever bey that nitty about cash. But then again if anything happened where I lost a ****ton of money I know I can grind 12s on FTP for 35/hr to rebuild on like a $500 roll with practically no ROR.

black,

A lot of mid-high stakes regs suggest 100, fwiw. I personally don't think it's necessary to play with that many unless you're playing for a living and/or are very unwilling to move down. Also, obv, stakes matter. 2/4 and up is a LOT tougher than .25/.50 and such, so you'll need a larger roll once you start moving up the ranks.

I can understand 100 buyin rolls for like 25/50+ but that just seems excessive lower than that.

what's ROR? Risk of Ruin

Thanks for the replies on this hand, I had QQ and did shove but felt like I've been spewing in spots like this recently. Pretty much hate this spot against players with no history when I have the bottom of my shoving range.

For some stupid reason I thought you had two unpaired cards...I think you can stack off with QQ because he rarely has AA, KK, and waaay often has 99-JJ.

Jeck,

Yes ROR = risk of ruin

Villain is a 45/15 player, and all over the place post flop, aggressive at times, passive at times, can't pinpoint his post flop play. He had his stack of like $500 when I arrived, and had big hands in few big pots I saw from him. He also showed down a couple of bluffs. 130 hands or so... He and I haven't gotten into it except that I've 3 bet him at least once preflop and he's folded.

Poker Stars, $0.50/$1 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
UTG: $100
MP: $66
CO: $671.10
BTN: $98.50
Hero (SB): $316
BB: $139

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG folds, MP raises to $3, CO calls $3, BTN folds, Hero raises to $15, 2 folds, CO calls $12

Flop: ($34) 5 Q Q (2 Players)
Hero bets $25, CO calls $25

Turn: ($84) A (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $44, Hero calls $44

River: ($172) 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $200, Hero...