first hand is spewey... second hand i'm fine with

Devin,

I'm inclined to bet that turn, I wanna get his money in there (checking doesn't seem too bad and if I had any other read on a player with those stats I probably can see it even more, but betting being my default I guess). I'd stack on the river as played, I don't think we're very limited at all on the # of hands that he thinks are "big" after the turn checks through on that board that you are still beating.

sence,

I really don't like hand 1, that's a horrible board for you to do that on methinks.

MS 44 hand,
PF is fine although 4 betting and folding are also cool depending on how often he calls 3 bets and how he plays post flop.
VS someone cbetting 84% folding this flop isn't good. If he is straightforward and wont float or bluff raise then just donk fold the flop. If he it the type to bet once and then give up check call is fine. If he is going to double barrel a lot you are put in a much tougher spot and you can check fold but should also be rethinking preflop.

Devin,
WTF
3 bet pre (call is fine 2) bet turn and call his dumb river thingy while crying but don't ship it in.

Sence,
The first hand is less spewy than the second IMO

Devin, def bet turn to build the pot and charge draws. He will come along with overcard plus gutter.
On river def stack. Though I could see him checking turn if he turned a boat.

the more i talk to inyaface on aim about this the more I agree with this point and how he can have a big hand really often, and is just very passive. I think I may have read into his pf stats too much, and at first just kind of thinking "he minraised into you bvb pf and is now minraising a river raise, he sucks, get it in". It looks a lot closer to me now, but I also think checking the turn was a much bigger mistake.

hm, i don't know that i agree with that. i'd tend to think most villains at these stakes aren't really that aggressive with marginal made hands or draws... i don't think we have a ton of FE and i also don't think our overcards are outs all that often. i mean we might have as many as 10 outs w/ backdoor spades, but if i were going to work math out on this one i'd probably give us something in the neighborhood of 6 outs on average with not a lot of FE.

i guess i'm talking about it like you said the first hand wasn't a spew though, when you really just said it's less of a spew than the 2nd, so anyway...

2nd hand, i think the turn raise is pretty much mandatory to get crying calls out of overpairs / 2 pair hands. his turn bet really screams to me (at these stakes) "**** that's a bad card but i had a good hand!". after he min 3-bets ok that scares me and i'm not sure it's a great spot, but i guess i don't know that i can raise/fold a set here, plus we have some equity vs. a straight, plus i think sometimes this is just an idiot who doesn't think AA or 33 is a marginal or bad made hand.

and fwiw on devin's hand, i wouldn't ship it without the ace.

sense's hand, eh, i guess he has like half a stack behind after we raise so maaaybe i could find a fod, but idk at nl50 i still think getting in can't be terrible.

DUCY raising is bad now
If you raise and have a tough decision when it gets back to you with a set on that board then its pretty bad.

Also I agree the first hand isn't good but the second hand is much worse.
edit: I could make what I think is a good argument for shoving AK but I would almost never raise 55.

Double edit: We always have 5 outs with AK (gutter and backdoor flush draw) and almost always the ace or king so I would give us an average of 8 with as many as 11 plus sometimes we could be ahead of low flush draws or a straight draw.

So you would just call his gaybet on the turn, inyaface?

Hand 1: I figured backdoor spades gutshot + overcard outs were enough to ship it in with him having 14$ behind and pot already being huge. Well obviously I was drunk and didn't really do any math while I was playing

Sounds like the two of you have been getting into it with each other, so I'd call PF. I could 3-bet PF but not here. Flop fine obv.

Why did you not bet the flop? You have to be damn sure he will bet the river so you can raise there, but if you bet turn and he calls, he will usually be calling some kind of bet on the river and you prolly get more out him that way instead of going for the raise on the river because a)he might not bet and b)he may not call a raise; not to mention some bad cards can come on the river that are either scare cards or draws for him.

I can't see shoving river. It's probably close though since there's just not many hands out there that do beat you, and this guy could call with a lot that you do beat.

Just curious about your 5x pf raise...no biggie, is it standard for you?
I personally wouldn't c-bet quite so big here, because I woudn't normally and villain is sitting on a half-stack. If you get raised on the flop it will usually get him feeling committed since he'll have close to 1/2 his stack in (unless it's a ghey minraise, in which this case it's still almost 1/2 stack because of your big cbet). So my point is you don't have much FE vs him which your line might be better with full stacks.



This seems fine to me, I'm not going to flat call the turn donk and don't see why we can't get it in at this point. 66 and 77 are the only hands that seem reasonable right now that we beat. A2 and 86 prolly don't get to this point like this with UTG r and turn donk bet.

5x was a misclick. I'm too lazy to type 1,75 so usually my first in raise is 2$.
I think I never have any foldequity on the flop here.
I just thought my outs were enough - well, let's do the math.
I have to pay 4+14.40$=18.40$ for a 18.40+18.40+4+4+5.25=50.05$ Pot.
This implies I need 36.8% Equity. Outs are 4 for a gutshot, 1 for backdoor NFD, and 6 for overcards, which might or might not be good - let's discount them to 4.
So I got 9 Outs, which means I will miss in 38/47*37/46~~65%, which means I hit in 35%, so it's probably really really close.
Any flaws in my math?

my hand,

I didn't be the turn because he checked pretty quick. Right or wrong, I thought he had nothing.

I was watching a video last night by bobbofitos and he was in this same spot with 77, and was in disbelief people fold it to 3-bets (which I often do )BTN vs blinds. So, I guess I have to call here. Problem is, I'm going to be in a lot of iffy spots postflop with it. Anyway, here we go.

Villain is 17/12/5 after 500 hands or so.

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SB: $754.89
BB: $920.80
UTG: $683.00
CO: $624.00
Hero (BTN): $614.25

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 7 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $21, 1 fold, BB raises to $77, Hero calls $56

Flop: ($157.00) 2 9 8 (2 players)
BB bets $110, Hero calls $110 (if you call here, what's ur plan?)

Turn: ($377.00) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ????

SB is a monkey. He's not relevant to this hand.
MP is a regular. I don't have any notes on him, which means he's never done anything note worthy or out of the ordinary imo. He's 20/15/2.90.

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MP: $1395.75
CO: $855.00
BTN: $596.95
SB: $116.00
BB: $600.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 3 A
Hero raises to $21, MP calls $21, 2 folds, SB calls $18, 1 fold

Flop: ($69.00) 9 A 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $55, MP calls $55, SB calls $55

Turn: ($234.00) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $200 (do you pot control here?, can u pot control?), MP calls $200, SB calls $40 all in (note side pot)

River: ($674.00) 4 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero ????

Ha ha - I saw the same video and was scratching my head a bit. The thing is for me, I'm not nearly so loose preflop as bobbo (I mean who is?) plus lower stakes guys don't play back as much so I think it's ok for me to dump a medium pair to a 3-bet from this type of villain. I believe you play much looser than me so calling here preflop is probably fine for you.

I'm not totally confident in this but think as played I would just shove the flop. There is a good chance you have the best hand but folding out worse is ok here imo. You might still get called by worse hands anyway although most draws are not going to be far behind. Plus if you just flat call the flop you're just about pot commmitted and you don't know which turn cards are bad cards.

As played I would shove the turn or bet something like $275, I don't think it matters which. I don't believe he's checking this turn with many hands that beat you unless he's sure you're betting 100% of your flop calling range if he checks.

Devin,
If MP had you beat he would have shown some strength by now. No notes makes me assume he's playing straightforward. Straightforward players may not for whatever reason raise AQ or AK preflop but that's unlikely. If he had AT, A9 he would have told you on the turn. A set for sure raises flop or turn on a drawy board. River blanks I am taking any Aces I can to valuetown, shove it here.

I prolly pack it up and muck PF fwiw but lets go ahead and look at it. He is betting all flops so I am def raising b/c we have the best hand pretty often and SO many turns suck I want to take it down if I can. I think we can raise to like 250 here and comfortably fold to a raise. On the turn if he checks I am def not giving him any room to catch up with AK AQ type hands. Bet here and bash ur head on the floor when he c/r's I guess. I just don't see many hands that try a c/r here unless this guy is particularly tricky. He has to see the board as too drawy to check made hands here.

Devin
Seems ok so far
check turn for sure
KB,
raise folding this flop is BADDD as is bet folding the turn

yeah i'm with inyaface this time... i like the 77 hand (including preflop) and i'd check turn


The A3 hand, yeah I think I like that oen so far too... river's a tough spot. all i can say is i wouldn't be overly worried about a draw. i think the decision is between shoving and check/folding, if that makes sense.

ton of help i know. A+ post. pat on back...

going to bed now.

lol ok here we go devin.

pf is a fold. call the flop. check behind on the turn.

allin.

i would fold preflop

or if villain is aggressive(spewy) c/r andor c/c the river.

imo no reason to PC. only rason to pc would be if an ace hit on the turn. even then pc is meh. you have the two pair combo. they have AJ all day.

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MP1: $99.90
MP2: $99.00
CO: $49.55
BTN: $17.65
SB: $100.00
BB: $80.00
Hero (UTG): $100.00
UTG+1: $61.45
UTG+2: $45.50

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, MP1 calls $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, 1 fold, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($14.50) A 3 5 (4 players)
BB bets $8, Hero raises to $28, MP1 raises to $96.40 all in, BTN folds, BB folds, Hero ?

No reads at all. This is the 1st orbit and I have no hands on this guy.

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Hero (BB): $188.00
UTG: $88.20
UTG+1: $101.00
MP1: $50.95
MP2: $34.00
CO: $24.90
BTN: $59.00
SB: $76.85

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $18, MP2 raises to $34 all in, BTN calls $30.50, 1 fold, Hero ?

I have < 10 hands on both of these guys. Their stack sizes are the issue here.