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04-27-2008 , 12:15 AM
Here is another hand... fold to min bet/raise?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $15.00
BTN: $14.95
SB: $9.75
BB: $24.75
UTG: $11.15
UTG+1: $7.50
Hero (UTG+2): $25.00
MP1: $10.50
MP2: $4.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with 6 A
2 folds, Hero checks, 2 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.00) J A 6 (4 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, CO folds, SB raises to $3.75, BB folds, Hero ?
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04-27-2008 , 12:36 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
I never know what to do w/ over pairs, actually I always call... when do you fold?

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UTG: $11.60
UTG+1: $21.60
MP1: $26.85
MP2: $19.45
Hero (CO): $27.60
BTN: $2.85
SB: $23.65
BB: $5.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T T
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $2, Hero raises to $6, 5 folds, MP2 calls $4

Flop: ($13.60) 6 8 8 (2 players)
MP2 bets $13.45 all in, Hero ?
I'd fold the first time it got to me. You can't really assume that UTG+1 is iso raising lite, and you therefore have to put MP2 on a pretty tight 3bet range.

As played, I call his shove. I don't think someone that flats a big pair here preflop, shoves into you with it on this flop.
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04-27-2008 , 12:39 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
Here is another hand... fold to min bet/raise?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $15.00
BTN: $14.95
SB: $9.75
BB: $24.75
UTG: $11.15
UTG+1: $7.50
Hero (UTG+2): $25.00
MP1: $10.50
MP2: $4.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with 6 A
2 folds, Hero checks, 2 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.00) J A 6 (4 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, CO folds, SB raises to $3.75, BB folds, Hero ?
I think I'd just fold. It looks huge. If he was deeper I might call his min raise and hope to fill up, but he's not.
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04-27-2008 , 12:47 AM
Villain is a huge calling station (or maybe I am ), bluffing fish... the problem is all I beat is a bluff... terrible to look him up?

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Hero (UTG): $28.50
UTG+1: $24.75
MP1: $16.30
MP2: $45.80
CO: $8.10
BTN: $11.55
SB: $14.80
BB: $4.90

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 4 folds

Flop: ($3.35) 2 3 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $1, Hero calls $1, MP1 calls $1

Turn: ($6.35) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $2, Hero calls $2, MP1 folds

River: ($10.35) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4
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04-27-2008 , 01:21 AM
same fish villain as last hand... since he is so bad this is a good shove, right?

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Hero (CO): $37.25
BTN: $18.05
SB: $24.75
BB: $37.75
UTG: $18.45
UTG+1: $4.65
UTG+2: $4.65
MP1: $15.00
MP2: $5.35

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T J
UTG raises to $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.35) 6 T 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.75, Hero raises to $15, UTG calls $11.20 all in

Turn: ($37.25) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($37.25) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)
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04-27-2008 , 01:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
Villain is a huge calling station (or maybe I am ), bluffing fish... the problem is all I beat is a bluff... terrible to look him up?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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Hero (UTG): $28.50
UTG+1: $24.75
MP1: $16.30
MP2: $45.80
CO: $8.10
BTN: $11.55
SB: $14.80
BB: $4.90

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP1 calls $1, MP2 calls $1, 4 folds

Flop: ($3.35) 2 3 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $1, Hero calls $1, MP1 calls $1

Turn: ($6.35) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets $2, Hero calls $2, MP1 folds

River: ($10.35) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets $4, Hero calls $4
Pretty rare that's he's bluffing here. He's betting into 2 opponents here. I doubt he has a FD very often given the bet size. If he wanted a cheap river, he could just check. You could raise however... but I wouldn't.
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04-27-2008 , 01:28 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
same fish villain as last hand... since he is so bad this is a good shove, right?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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Hero (CO): $37.25
BTN: $18.05
SB: $24.75
BB: $37.75
UTG: $18.45
UTG+1: $4.65
UTG+2: $4.65
MP1: $15.00
MP2: $5.35

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T J
UTG raises to $1, 4 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 3 folds, UTG calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.35) 6 T 3 (2 players)
UTG bets $3.75, Hero raises to $15, UTG calls $11.20 all in

Turn: ($37.25) A (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($37.25) Q (2 players - 1 is all in)
Awkward spot to 3bet given stack sizes and your hand. If you are 3-betting JTo here you have way to wide of a 3-bet range imo.

The flop is fine. I might just call sometimes and call put him in on the turn.
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04-27-2008 , 03:10 AM
bengie AK hand

I don't think either is bad. Sometimes game flow makes me pretty sure I want to bet the turn and sometimes check. There are a lot of good/bad things either way. Anyway, what do you mean by villain sucks?

Dr. J TT

The way you played that preflop you absolutely have to call the flop. Unless the table was wild enough that I was really happy getting it in pre against those players I wouldn't even consider raising. Whether you fold or call depends on what you think of their ranges. Like if MP2's play made me pretty sure he had AA or KK and I didn't think UTG+1 was terribly likely to reraise I'd call and set mine.

A6 hand

You posted out of the blinds? No reads? The thing is you're not necessarily being shown you are behind now, but if you proceed you are committing and he's definitely being given a chance to play perfectly. .2 * 7 + .8 * .35 * 5.5 - .8 * .75 * 7.25 = -1.41 or something like that.

AQ hand

Villain is a huge calling station, but now he's a bluffer? Given your description I'd probably just give up on the flop, though I'd be likely to cbet as they are still likely to just fold if they miss. You're getting good odds, but a diamond or even an Ace could be bad cards for you.
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04-27-2008 , 09:01 AM
UTG is 16/14 and MP is super loose and passive.


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BB: $55.10
UTG: $101.55
MP: $114.40
CO: $6.70
BTN: $2.70
Hero (SB): $297.45

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K Q
UTG raises to $4, MP calls $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $2.70 all in, Hero calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($15.70) T K 9 (4 players - 1 is all in)
Hero checks, UTG bets $11, MP calls $11, Hero
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04-27-2008 , 11:54 AM
I'd fold. His UTG range has KQ crushed, so he's c-bet into a dryish side pot into multiple players should have you crushed as well.
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04-27-2008 , 12:27 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
I'd fold. His UTG range has KQ crushed, so he's c-bet into a dryish side pot into multiple players should have you crushed as well.
Any thoughts on preflop?
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04-27-2008 , 01:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cha59
Any thoughts on preflop?
Well, I think if you can get away from it on flops like this that it isn't bad. If it was KQo I'd fold it for sure. But, I'm just treating this hand like a SC and playing it because it's multiway.
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04-27-2008 , 02:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
I'd fold. His UTG range has KQ crushed, so he's c-bet into a dryish side pot into multiple players should have you crushed as well.

I did fold. I can't really think of any hand I am beating at this point and my draw may even be bad. Would you peel again if say a heart was on the board. I also thought his cbetting range will probably be tighter given the short stack already all in.
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04-27-2008 , 02:47 PM
yea, cleinen...I was going to actually mention that about a heart. I'd be more likely to peel, but not always.
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04-27-2008 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wiggs73
Pay particular attention to my fist pump strategies. They are the key.
lol. so expert
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04-27-2008 , 05:04 PM
does anyone know how to datamine on full tilt? the hands are importing into PT but nothing is showing up on PA HUD
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04-27-2008 , 05:10 PM
FD's 10k post inspired me to play cash...wrecking 50NL (over like 5k hands lol). So much better than grinding sngs.
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04-27-2008 , 05:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
Here is another hand... fold to min bet/raise?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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CO: $15.00
BTN: $14.95
SB: $9.75
BB: $24.75
UTG: $11.15
UTG+1: $7.50
Hero (UTG+2): $25.00
MP1: $10.50
MP2: $4.45

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with 6 A
2 folds, Hero checks, 2 folds, CO checks, 1 fold, SB calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.00) J A 6 (4 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $2, CO folds, SB raises to $3.75, BB folds, Hero ?
I think you probably need to at least call the raise and stack off on any non club or jack turn. I don't think shoving is bad either. The guy has 40 bb's so he's obviously not good.
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04-28-2008 , 07:53 AM
Agree with DD about hand above given stack size. Pair plus fl draw is the nuts at nl 50. He will stack off light.
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04-28-2008 , 08:02 AM
Turned Boat and I feel like a noob, cause I don't have a line

Villain is 22/19/inf/64h cbet 84%, SN donkydynamit

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CO: $351.20
BTN: $418.90
SB: $102.25
Hero (BB): $691.50

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 4 4
1 fold, BTN raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($34.00) 3 K 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $24, Hero calls $24

Turn: ($82.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $54, Hero raises to $144, BTN folds

At the time, I figured the only way I would win a big pot is if he had a good K or AA and bet the river and I c/r him there or if I c/r the turn and he didn't believe me.
Also, I figured if I c/r river, he might bet TT-QQ for value or continue a bluff and I could get an extra bet, so I should c/r river. Then I c/r turn anyway.

What's a good line here? I could lead turn. Def have to at least consider it since it seems real fishy from his point of view.
I really hate being oop in these spots.

Edit: Also, calling may be better for range balancing for when I have a mid pp and want to get to showdown and call two streets, though I usually just call one street and then give up. I honestly don't know how often I should be peeling two, like if I had 88 in this exact same spot, wtf should I do and how does that affect how I should play this hand?

Last edited by MadScientist; 04-28-2008 at 08:12 AM.
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04-28-2008 , 08:06 AM
MS, I really don't like c/c flop it's <<< c/r or donk imo(which one of those is better depends on villains contibet % and your history and the way you'd play your set, a spot for balancing i suppose)
a good tag will barrel any turn because your hand is what it looks like, you make yourself exploitable.
if you play your sets the same way then it's probably not that bad but this again seems to lose value with your sets
in sngs the "call once" mode is pretty funny because ppl are just too short to double barrel, so they mostly don't(esp. regs) and you can safely fold if they bet again
i'd probably donk the turn since he raises with a huge percentage he would have bet again after i checked

Last edited by sence25; 04-28-2008 at 08:15 AM.
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04-28-2008 , 11:12 AM
sence, I disagree at least partially.

c/r or donking the flop really turns 44 into a bluff. So, it doesn't really much matter what two cards you have. When you donk this flop you will get floated a tonne, and now you are in the same situation as if you c/c, just I'm guess you donk then give up.

I don't think c/r is bad, but it is a bluff. I would consider it here because this guy appears to be aggro, although having an AF of inf says you don't have many hands, and you can't really count on him shutting down.

That being said, K33 flops aren't that great to double barrel and I don't think good tags are just firing blindly every time. I K is never folding on the turn, and is c/c the flop. A pp will often peel twice and I just don't think you can think he double barreling a lot, unless he's triple barreling a lot. There aren't that many players that triple barrel that much.

so how would I play it? Well, I'd probably just fold it preflop actually, because it is hard to play with out flopping a set, your oop and have no implied odds. On the flop I'd c/c. On the turn, I'd donk. It's a bad card for him to double barrel because it doesn't really change anything. It's hard to rep a 4 here by double barreling. Also, donk the turn looks like a delayed 'see where I'm at' bet that might make him do something stupid.
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04-28-2008 , 02:33 PM
MS,

I'd call the turn and donk the river some ******ed amount and hope to induce a bluff. If you called the turn, the pot would be ~190 so I'd lead like 60-80 on the river and watch them overshove.
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04-28-2008 , 03:24 PM
also, I agree w/ devin about pf. I'll play this obv multiway and against complete station ******s but otherwise find that folding pf is better.
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04-28-2008 , 03:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by GtrHtr
MS,

I'd call the turn and donk the river some ******ed amount and hope to induce a bluff. If you called the turn, the pot would be ~190 so I'd lead like 60-80 on the river and watch them overshove.
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