for one you're 7 handed, and two never underestimate the spaz factor, he's pretty loose for FR anyway, but regs spaz out plenty and he might be doing it too level you with AXs or 22 or something ******ed. Nobody with those stats every has a range of KK+ for anything.

I might call sb raise to $22 or raise as you did. If I raised like you, I would puke and time out as well... if a 4bet is usually KK-AA, then a 5bet must always be.

yes, I was in the blind, I forget which blind. I raised to $100... then he asked if I had AK or TT and called me...

then I checked flop, he bet pot of approx $200 and I folded

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post an example. sometimes you have the equity to call but often it should be pretty ez to identify when you're being taken to valuetown. You should also work on planning a hand which has moderate equity by making or paying one bet and then folding if unimproved. Its hugely sitiationally dependant tho. Basically you want to get to showdown cheap with hands with good showdown value, once it stops being cheap, leave the hand.

Also - no idea what stakes ur playing, but bad players will very often play passively and then come to life on the river. Very hard to read initially but as they showdown, you will be able to see a definite pattern as to if they are pot stealing or just missing out on 3 streets of value and only getting one on the river.

He's holding the A there like always. Raise the turn.

Beng,

Through much pain, I've stopped trying to outplay the ******s and instead try to play my hands for value vs them. That ATo hand I'm folding pf. I can't see isolating with ATo from MP as being hugely profitable.

i'm playing 50nl so i can learn basic things

i'm playing full ring and running like 17/14 over 10k hands

I am up like $10 because I have ran bad and played even worse

I'm playing my pocket pairs wayyyy too aggressively I think, and I have no idea about 3betting. I will be in vegas getting coaching this time next week and I'm trying to put in some hands so he can identify my leaks easier. I will post all the questionable hands I have, thanks a lot for the help.

who is coaching you? pm if you want.

for 50nl 3 bet your premium hands, thats what the villains are doing. QQ+, mix in JJ and TT if the pfr is loose, and AK at FR. Call 3 bets with JJ, AK and sometimes QQ and rr all in with KK and AA.

WCG|Rider offered me a very nice deal. I am flying out to vegas on April 29th and staying with him in his home through May 5th. He is going to make me a winner at 100nl so I can finally quit the rigorous sng grind.


As far as 3betting goes, I just feel like I'm always lost. I'm button and CO opens and I look at a hand like T9ss, I always get the feeling I should 3bet there for some reason, even though I'm folding hands like AT and KT

And when they 3bet me and I have a PP and they're giving me 3:1, is it profitable to call in position vs most opponents for just set value, or should I be folding p/f unless I plan on making a move postflop?

Thanks again

Bengie, AT, prolly not isolating unless he is an incredibly huge fish, and I know others behind me aren't going to re-isolate wide. That said, I'd make it more than $8...like $9 or $10 since it's pretty much my standard especially in EP. You said it yourself on the turn raise...and it goes two-fold if your image sucks at this point. That's a good spot if your image is solid, not if your image sucks.

AK looks good to me as played, and also like your reasoning for a big value raise on the flop.

You seem to be looking at hands in an absolute-value kind of way, instead of taking your opponents and stacks into consideration (I know you are, but maybe not as much as you should be). THis seems like a common theme among STTrs where reads aren't nearly as important. 3-betting and calling a hand like T9s, or calling a 3bet with a PP is entirely opponent/stack dependent.

I tried this in the **** thread, got no response, but I think it's kind of fun/interesting...

Very last hand of the night after I convince dealer to deal one more hand.

Fish on button folds and leaves. I have 92 and complete saying something like " OK last hand." BB is talking to dealer checks his option without looking at his cards.

Flop Axy

I've been destroying this game all night and have only shown the virtual nuts every single time. BB and I have been sitting next to each other for 5 hours and have never gotten into a big hand together.

I bet $5.

BB picks up his cards and simultaneouslely shows them to me.

He has KK and lays them face up with a chip on them for the rest of the hand.

He says "I'll call and we'll check it down. k?" and tosses in $5. I laugh and say "no way, I'm not checking this down."

Turn K

Awesome! I bet $20 into the $16 pot. "Great. You probably just hit your heart." and calls without thinking too hard.

Turn z of whatever.

He comments on how the two of us haven't been involved in hands. I know that he is capable of bluffing and has bluffed on a number of occasions.

Pot is $56. Effective stacks are like $500.
Hero....

oh, vn. I played against him a ton a few months ago when I was dicking around with that 25nl challenge thing in the micro fr forum which got me into 18 tabling fr once in a while. I hardly ever play fr unless I need the VPPs tho. You should come out of that in good shape I'd think, 18 tables x 65 hands an hour for a few hours a day should be good.

I'd very much like to chat w/ you on aim once you finish.

Yeah he is a very good guy, and a solid player. Making 1k in a day at 25NL is unheard of. We had a previous staking deal for some MTTs, and I was able to teach him some stuff there. He thought I had some kind of untapped potential so he kinda took me under his wing. Just waiting to make the money now. When I have a better idea of what I'm talking about I'll PM you my s/n ;p.

I am playing full-time this summer and will likely play for 100+ hours a week assuming everything goes well. I want to make some money to pay off the student loan I had to take out, and do some investing.


Mike: You are right that I'm thinking about hands in an absolute value sort of way, which I'm trying to shake. But I'm also always trying to be the aggressor, which doesn't seem to be working too well. Btw where are you from in central florida? As far as the hand goes that you posted, I would probably fire a $40 bullet on the river

you'll probably be able to pay off your loans from fpp's if you play anywhere near 100 hour s week this summer. Thats like 100k hands a week 16 tabling. SNE by august imo.

heh I just want to make enough to play in LAPT Uruguay via FPPs and when I say 100+ hours i'm sure I'll be lucky to put in 30. I'm overly ambitious about everything

Do you want to die? I'll take the under on the 100 hours a week.

for PPs I will usually call in position if I am getting 10:1 on whatever effective stacks are and the player is reasonably tight. If the 3-bettor is a huge nit then I may take worse odds.

edit: you can't play cash games for 100 hours a week unless you are god or nanonoko

nano ****ing noko is one of my BBV heroes fwiw.

As far as being out of position goes, are there specific odds (15:1, 20:1, etc...) that I should be looking for to make it a profitable call? Or is folding best since I suck post-flop?

Lipo, I played at one of your tables last night for a while. You folded 30+ hands p/f in a row (except for one BB).

You may want to think about opening up just a tad.....

I don't play a lot of cash, but that particular table seemed overly nitty and easy to run over. Something nobody else picked up on apparently.

I remember seeing your name on a table, and having you 3bet me ;]

I think you might have just caught me during a cold run or something because I'm running pretty LAG stats for full-ring, or so I'm told. Thank you for the feedback though

I am sooo done bluffing rivers.

UltimateBet $10/$25 No Limit Hold'em - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

BB: $3838.75
Hero (BTN/SB): $8311.75

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN/SB with 7 3
Hero raises to $75, BB calls $50

Flop: ($150.00) 4 2 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($150.00) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $150, Hero calls $150

River: ($450.00) J (2 players)
BB bets $425, Hero raises to $1500, BB calls $1075

I am guessing that pf-t are ok, but river s/b a fold? But what range do you give villain?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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UTG: $30.10
UTG+1: $14.00
MP1: $43.45
MP2: $16.60
CO: $35.40
BTN: $7.30
Hero (SB): $44.00
BB: $40.30

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K 9
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, MP1 calls $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($1.25) 3 5 9 (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 bets $0.75, MP2 folds, Hero calls $0.75, BB folds, UTG+1 calls $0.75

Turn: ($3.50) 8 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $0.50, MP1 raises to $1.75, Hero calls $1.75, UTG+1 raises to $3, MP1 calls $1.25, Hero calls $1.25

River: ($12.50) 7 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $10 all in, MP1 folds, Hero?

TJ, 99 or 88.

Hero folds. That's my read anyway.