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04-10-2008 , 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
So I've been messing around with Stars since Full Tilt has gone down and the level of play there seems really bad. Can anyone that has played a significant # of hands on both sites comment? I'm guessing since FT allows datamining that a ton of "stat" players are playing there afraid to actually play against someone they have no hands against. Probably once you get past 2/4 the play is probably similar across both sites but for 2/4 and below it seems fishy wise Stars > FT. Small sample size?
yeah for 1/2 and 2/4 stars is extremely soft and Ive never understood all the complaining, I have heard that FTP is a decent bit softer at 3/6-10/20 though.
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04-13-2008 , 01:06 PM
SB is 43/14 in only 7 hands.

BB is 31/3/1.38 in 281 hands and there has been no significant history between he & I.

$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BTN: $97.15
SB: $97.35
BB: $176.40
UTG: $253.45
UTG+1: $228.10
Hero (UTG+2): $273.90
MP1: $206.75
MP2: $200.00
CO: $224.30

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+2 with K A
2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 4 folds, SB calls $7, BB calls $7

Flop: ($21.00) Q K 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB bets $15.00, Hero ?

What's your standard line and why?
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04-13-2008 , 01:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cha59
SB is 43/14 in only 7 hands.

BB is 31/3/1.38 in 281 hands and there has been no significant history between him and me.
I checked with my wife who has a PhD in English.

BB is pretty passive, but I'm going with the standard read that donking here is a mediocre hand. The board isn't very drawy and being passive he's probably not playing a draw that way anyway.

I'd be looking to call him down. He probably won't go that fast with a monster anyway. If it checks all the way through to me on the river, I'd value bet.

That's pretty much all assuming SB folds or at least isn't checkraising the flop.
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04-13-2008 , 01:40 PM
Quote:
I checked with my wife who has a PhD in English.
Nit... :-)

I agree with you on the hand though.

Edit: Except if I flat and he checks a blank turn I would probably bet 1/2 pot.
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04-13-2008 , 07:38 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $100.00
BB: $73.15
UTG: $94.00
MP: $46.50
Hero (CO): $101.80
BTN: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T T
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, BTN raises to $15, 3 folds, Hero...?

I have enough hands on the UTG limper to know he is a standard limptard passive fish.

The BTN is a very good aggressive player. I am absolutely sure he knows I'm isolating very wide here and is capable of making a steal.
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04-13-2008 , 07:42 PM
4bet/call if your read is that certain. not an easy hand to play OOP vs a good aggressive player but way too strong to fold given info
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04-14-2008 , 02:03 AM
Cha, AKs hand:

I just flat the flop. I'd figure he either has a monster or is looking to find out where he's at. So, I think raising will help him to play the hand correctly.
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04-14-2008 , 02:14 AM
Playing extremely hung over 2/5 at the MGM, waiting for my friends to arrive to go for dinner.

Villain just sat.

Stack: $500 effective.

I open to $20 in early position (UTG I think) with AA, and get 3 callers.

Flop ($60): JT5
check, check, Hero bets $50, BTN calls, fold, fold.

Turn ($160): K
Hero bets $125, BTN calls.

River ($410): 9
Hero ????

I'm interesting on thoughts on the turn as well.
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04-14-2008 , 02:18 AM
I forgot about this hand I posted last week:

Party Poker $600 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $600.00
CO: $406.00
Hero (BTN): $877.00
SB: $2074.75
BB: $206.10
UTG: $615.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q A
2 folds, CO raises to $24, Hero calls $24, SB raises to $100, 2 folds, Hero calls $76

Flop: ($230.00) A 6 Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($230.00) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets how much?
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04-14-2008 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
Playing extremely hung over 2/5 at the MGM, waiting for my friends to arrive to go for dinner.

Villain just sat.

Stack: $500 effective.

I open to $20 in early position (UTG I think) with AA, and get 3 callers.

Flop ($60): JT5
check, check, Hero bets $50, BTN calls, fold, fold.

Turn ($160): K
Hero bets $125, BTN calls.

River ($410): 9
Hero ????

I'm interesting on thoughts on the turn as well.
I like the turn bet. You have to protect on this board.

I kind of like a check fold on the river readless in a live game. I can't see live players making a bet with a worse hand than yours on this board very often. This of course assumes a reasonably sized river bet from the opponent. If he does a typical live bet and bets like 20 bucks you kind of half to call.
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04-14-2008 , 10:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by DevinLake
I forgot about this hand I posted last week:

Party Poker $600 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP: $600.00
CO: $406.00
Hero (BTN): $877.00
SB: $2074.75
BB: $206.10
UTG: $615.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q A
2 folds, CO raises to $24, Hero calls $24, SB raises to $100, 2 folds, Hero calls $76

Flop: ($230.00) A 6 Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($230.00) 7 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets how much?
177. This will put your remaining stack at 600, it'll make the remaining pot nearly that size if he calls (setting up a river shove) and the bet is ~ 3/4 the pot (a reasonable size for whatever you're betting). Just maybe he will think you're bluffing & planning to fold with your original buyin intact.
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04-14-2008 , 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by blackize
I like the turn bet. You have to protect on this board.

I kind of like a check fold on the river readless in a live game. I can't see live players making a bet with a worse hand than yours on this board very often. This of course assumes a reasonably sized river bet from the opponent. If he does a typical live bet and bets like 20 bucks you kind of half to call.
yep

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Originally Posted by cha59
177. This will put your remaining stack at 600, it'll make the remaining pot nearly that size if he calls (setting up a river shove) and the bet is ~ 3/4 the pot (a reasonable size for whatever you're betting). Just maybe he will think you're bluffing & planning to fold with your original buyin intact.
sounds good, maybe a bit more like $185 just so river shove isnt an overbet
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04-14-2008 , 12:35 PM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $14.90
MP: $14.65
Hero (CO): $78.75
BTN: $9.50
SB: $12.50
BB: $74.15

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 6 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 1 fold, BB calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.10) 5 6 8 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.50, BTN raises to $8.50 all in, BB raises to $18, Hero raises to $37.75, BB raises to $73.15 all in, Hero calls $35.40

Turn: ($157.90) 7 (3 players - 2 are all in)

River: ($157.90) J (3 players - 2 are all in)

Spoiler:
Final Pot: $157.90
Hero mucks 6h 6d 6h 6d
BTN mucks 7s Ks
BB shows 9d 7d (a straight, Five to Nine)
BB wins $127.70
BB wins $27.20
(Rake: $3.00)



OK I think I screwed this up, but maybe I'm just results oriented as it happened 5 mins ago. How should I play this with these 300BB deep stacks?

Villain is AF 3; VPIP 28%; PFR 20% over 200 hands. Seen him call shoves very light and he got his stack by sucking out w JJ v KK, AJ v QQ, both AIPF.
I put his reraise down as an overpair to shut me out, so I reraise. When he shoves, should I fold?
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04-14-2008 , 12:45 PM
bet more on the flp, at least $2.40, rest looks fine you certainly will be ahead a lot of the time and have ous to fill up the times someone has a straight, if you got overset at 25NL it's a cooler.
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04-14-2008 , 12:56 PM
Peru,

When he raises to $18 he can still have a pretty wide range. He can easily just be trying to shut you out. So, your reraising is good. I don't really mind the amount either. It's either that or shove.

Now on the river you have $35.40 to call into like $130. Unless he flips over 88 you can't fold.

Even without knowing he gets it in a little light, it's just a cooler. Knowing that you gotta put some hands like overpairs and two pair in his range and you are golden.
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04-14-2008 , 01:00 PM
I occasionally make a "probe bet" c1/3 the pot with a set on a drawy board intending to induce a raise from an overpair that I can then shove. Wrong?

Secondly, on the hand I posted OT w QJs. I'm surprised at the advice to flat call.

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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Hero (BTN): $26.00
SB: $27.65
BB: $15.30
UTG: $19.60
CO: $14.95

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Js Qs
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, SB raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Hero calls $1.25

Flop: ($4.75) 6s 2s Ad (2 players)
SB bets $2.75, Hero raises to $23.75 all in, SB calls $21

After his pathetically weak c-bet, I think he's maybe 50% Ax, 50% a pair; set seems v unlikely on that board. I've got 41% of equity v range of 22+,A9s+,ATo+,KQs. He's folding every none A hand, and I've got nice outs if he calls. So why is the shove wrong? If I flat call, do I chk fold a turn brick? What do I do if non spade Q or J hits?
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04-14-2008 , 01:22 PM
Peru,

You have 41% against that range, but not 41% against the range he calls your shove with. If he calls you're more like 31%.

So about 1/2 the time you win about $8.50 and about 1/2 the time you lose about $9. That's given what is probably a generous assumption that he only has an Ace or better 1/2 the time. He did 3bet pre and you're assuming he 3bets 22+ here.

Hard to say how to play the rest of the hand w/o knowing the villain. Against a fair number of players (mostly the fish) I just chase if they give me odds because you're often going to have good implied odds. A lot of regs will be check-folding the turn, so I'll if they check I'll bet.
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04-14-2008 , 03:45 PM
TY Microbet, just done the maths and he needs to have the A <43% of the time for it to be +$EV.
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04-14-2008 , 05:13 PM
xPeru, would you play an ace this way?
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04-14-2008 , 05:55 PM
Effective stacks 180BBs. Villain is 42/17/1.2. Goes to showdowns a lot. Has won few pots from me within short time with no showdowns. NL100.

Hero UTG raises to $5 Q Q
Early blind poster folds
3 fold
BB calls $3

Flop: T 9 9
Villains checks
Hero bets $10
Villain raises to $20
Hero calls

Turn: T

Villain bets $32
Hero folds

Villain has a flop c/r % 22 over 170 hands hands. Villain made his bet on the last second of timer FWIW.
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04-14-2008 , 05:57 PM
Good question Sence.
I definitely call the raise PF w AK/AQ - I'd only shove over a shortstack. Post-Flop I'd reraise the c-bet, rather than flat call, and then a % of the time I'd shove rather than make it $8-$10 since I generally feel committed to call any turn bet with half my stack in there. Depends on villain TBH. The fishier he is the more likely I am to shove. At 25NL, I fold AJo to the three bet, and call with AJs, sometimes ATs.
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04-14-2008 , 05:59 PM
Karp,

I push the flop every time and hope he has AT or a draw or JJ
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04-14-2008 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by xPeru
Karp,

I push the flop every time and hope he has AT or a draw or JJ
I dunno if reacting that way to a player with 1.2 aggression factor and with 180BBs is the right way. Well thats why im posting this i quess

AT is likely yes, but I really dont need to protect against it by pushing. He really does not seem to be the type of player to raise draws. And JJ is as likely as KK/AA so to speak.
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04-15-2008 , 03:22 AM
help me damnit timebank is running out
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04-15-2008 , 03:25 AM
karp theres no way he's repopping JJ/QQ/AK every time when you raise UTG. I would flat-call them pretty often and your villain is much more passive preflop than i am. I think the turn fold is fine if you arent comfotable calling a big river bet on a blank.
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