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04-04-2008 , 02:02 PM
Mike, I don't really know he's squeeze frequency. But, he does it too much, let's just put it that way.
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04-04-2008 , 07:23 PM
dipstikdave, I'm pretty sure if you pokerstove it with whatever range you Really think the guy would have, the KK hand is a def fold. Remember to not put every combo of SCs in there and very few gappers. And yes, nits do raise sets up strong.

Devin, I would consider rr to 72 pf, but would prolly actually just flat to get bb into the hand and let sb call. I like seeing flops with suited big aces in position. If SB squeezes, **** him and shove. It would def be plus EV. I am assuming he squeezes 10%+ (this is realistic for a habitual squeezer).
The smaller than average rr is also attractive cause bb might call anyway, if he cold calls rr previously then def rr smallish.
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04-04-2008 , 07:40 PM
Is winning $170 in 1800 hands NL25 sustainable?
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04-04-2008 , 07:49 PM
Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

Hero (UTG): $113.90
CO: $81.20
BTN: $25
SB: $31.35
BB: $25

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $0.85, CO folds, BTN calls $0.85, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.05) A 7 7 (2 Players)
Hero bets $0.70, BTN raises to $2, Hero calls $1.30


Turn: ($6.05) Q (2 Players)
Hero bets $5, BTN calls $5

River: ($16.05) K (2 Players)
Hero bets $7

How is the river block bet/ bluff against AK? villain was 20/12/1,7 he didn't 3bet anything throughout 89 hands IIRC

I had been really active from LP, but not so much from utg.

Last edited by Staafy; 04-04-2008 at 07:55 PM.
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04-04-2008 , 10:27 PM
Staffy, the only reason to bet the river is to fold out a 7 or AK. But he has like AJd or something a lot to so I'd probably just c/f.

As for my hand. No one seems interested, so I'm not going to bother with the rest of the streets. I just called. 3-betting is fine, especially if you don't want to have to deal with the squeeze. However, I was fine with getting squeezed and I wanted BB to have a chance to play his random two cards as well.

So, I ended up getting squeeze from the SB. But, I think we are too deep to shove just because his calling range is pretty meh when I shove. So, I just flatted again, planing to never fold on anything that resembled a good flop.
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04-04-2008 , 10:48 PM
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As for my hand. No one seems interested, so I'm not going to bother with the rest of the streets. I just called. 3-betting is fine, especially if you don't want to have to deal with the squeeze. However, I was fine with getting squeezed and I wanted BB to have a chance to play his random two cards as well.
If you call you get to play in position a ton against a squeezer 200BBs deep with a SPR that makes it like you have 100BB stacks in a single raised pot. I think calling is clearly better.

You can also 4bet smaller than a shove.
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04-04-2008 , 11:14 PM
It's not 200bbs deep...just under 150bbs.
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04-05-2008 , 12:16 AM
Ah sorry thought it was 2/4. In that case it becomes less clear and I don't think it makes much difference EV wise what you do. Calling with the expectation of getting 3bet by a pretty huge range I think makes the hand easier to play.
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04-05-2008 , 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by DevinLake
As for my hand. No one seems interested, so I'm not going to bother with the rest of the streets.
Booo. Maybe 'cuz it's an interesting spot and a lot of us in here look to you for advice and are "scared" to comment on your hands, instead waiting for the experienced posters, who are fewer in numbers. I would like to see the rest because it's a deep stack situation vs two aggro players, a spot I'd like to see discussed. PM me if you really aren't going to show the rest, please.

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I just called. 3-betting is fine, especially if you don't want to have to deal with the squeeze. However, I was fine with getting squeezed and I wanted BB to have a chance to play his random two cards as well.

So, I ended up getting squeeze from the SB. But, I think we are too deep to shove just because his calling range is pretty meh when I shove. So, I just flatted again, planing to never fold on anything that resembled a good flop.
BB folded I assume (and original raiser too?). If you 4-bet pre, assuming SB made it like $120-$150 (making the pot ~$200, you can't really do much else other than shove, can you? His calling range does suck for you but since you deep-limped it might open it up just a bit (JJ, AQ, maybe other pairs?), plus he has one of those hands that truly suck for you such a small % of the time it still should be hugely +EV.

If I played this hand flat-calling his squeeze, I'm trying to think of a flop I would be folding and there aren't that many.

Also, MS mentioned 10% being a common number for squeezers/3bettors. That does seem common, but I think this number doesn't reflect the range of hands and only represents a frequency, while the actual range is much greater than say a pokerstove 10% range.
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04-05-2008 , 12:55 AM
Party Poker $600 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

MP: $600.00
CO: $406.00
Hero (BTN): $877.00
SB: $2074.75
BB: $206.10
UTG: $615.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q A
2 folds, CO raises to $24, Hero calls $24, SB raises to $100, 2 folds, Hero calls $76

Flop: ($230.00) A 6 Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero ????
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04-05-2008 , 01:57 AM
Stacksizes are a little too awkward to 4bet small, but here are my thoughts on that anyway.

If you 4bet he's probably not going to put you on such a strong range and that could induce action from a wider range than normal. If you shove he might put you on a mid pair and make a hero call with AT or something.

Now if he's the player I'm imagining he's squeezing nearly anything playable here which means he's folding a ton and your equity against his calling range might be of little importance.

First we'll assume that he has a pretty standard calling range here JJ+ AK.

I actually picked a range somewhat narrower than what the player as described could be squeezing

99+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,J9s+,T8s+,97s+,86s+,76s,65s,ATo +,KQo 13.3%
JJ+,AKs,AKo 3%

He's folding 77.4% of the time and against this range you have 32.03% equity.

154 * (.774 + .226 * .320) + (777 * .226 * .320) - (853 * .226 * .680)

119.196 + 11.13728 + 39.686052 - 131.08904
=

$38.93

So the EV of a shove given these assumptions is $38.93. Not too shabby. Against wider calling ranges you have more equity when called but you make less off the folds, but I'd imagine a shove is still good.

Postflop as played it's not likely you're getting more than 1 bet out of him unless he has the top of his range(AJ+ QQ/AA) or he turns gin on you. And since you really can't fold regardless of the action I'd just bet flop and hope to get him to peel one street with TT JJ or KK and to hopefully get value out of AT+.
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04-05-2008 , 03:15 AM
I'd probably bet the flop in game but his flop check definitely reeks of a weak ace or a queen. Shouldn't he be cbetting a flop like this with most of his squeezing range?
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04-05-2008 , 07:24 AM
It is possible that he is planning to c/r allin with a two to broadway gutshot. However, I think you could do something like bet 1/3 to 1/2 pot to basically reopen the action. I mean that flop doesn't connect with your perceived range that well.
Checking is also good as well. I don't think you can really go wrong here.
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04-05-2008 , 11:35 AM
His 3-bet was smallish, and not c-betting is weird. Regardless, I think the only real problem you have here is trying to figure out how to win as much of his stack as you can, and as deep as you are, you have to get the ball rolling now.

He doesn't have too many hands that he'll be looking to continue to call with that you beat however so I think you'll need to check at some point to hopefully induce some aggression on his part. Bet now and he's more likely to c/r with air or float. Check turn and he'll be more likely to bluff river or call a second bet with whatever small peice he actually has. He prolly isn't calling a second bet on the turn even if he has a weak A or Q, but might call the second bet on the river. Bet size doesn't have to be any smaller than your normal flop bet sizes, in fact, I think you can bet bigger. The only exception is if you think a smaller bet looks weak to him and might induce a raise.
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04-05-2008 , 06:01 PM
Villain is solid.
It's a live game and we would be happy to see what you think about every streets.

Hero has 12.3$
Villain has 20$

UTG folds
Villain is UTG+1 and raises to 0.4
MP folds
CO calls
Hero calls with 6 6
SB folds
BB calls

Flop A 6 K (4 players - pot is 1.7)

Villain checks
CO checks
Hero bets 0.8
BB folds
Villain calls
CO folds

Turn A (2 players - pot is 3.3)

Villain bets 2
Hero calls

River T (2 players - pot is 7.3)

Villain bets 4
Hero moves in for 9.1
Villain calls
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04-05-2008 , 07:43 PM
Bet more on the flop. I'd probably raise the turn as an ace isn't folding and you don't want a flush draw to give up on the river if he misses.
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04-05-2008 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
Bet more on the flop. I'd probably raise the turn as an ace isn't folding and you don't want a flush draw to give up on the river if he misses.
Good advice imo.
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04-05-2008 , 11:43 PM
No reads... PAHUD was not running either. I was playing a MTT and paying more attention to that game. Readless, how is my line?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $25.00
UTG+1: $55.30
MP: $25.05
CO: $22.70
BTN: $36.10
SB: $46.15
Hero (BB): $62.95

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.35) A K 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2

Turn: ($7.35) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero calls $5

River: ($27.35) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $15, Hero calls $15
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04-06-2008 , 01:36 AM
So I've been messing around with Stars since Full Tilt has gone down and the level of play there seems really bad. Can anyone that has played a significant # of hands on both sites comment? I'm guessing since FT allows datamining that a ton of "stat" players are playing there afraid to actually play against someone they have no hands against. Probably once you get past 2/4 the play is probably similar across both sites but for 2/4 and below it seems fishy wise Stars > FT. Small sample size?
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04-06-2008 , 01:48 AM
Don't know about above 1/2. I've played a decent number of hands at .5/1 and the play is definitely considerably softer on Stars. At 1/2 Stars seems softer but I wasn't really playing too much attention.
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04-07-2008 , 12:26 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
No reads... PAHUD was not running either. I was playing a MTT and paying more attention to that game. Readless, how is my line?

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $25.00
UTG+1: $55.30
MP: $25.05
CO: $22.70
BTN: $36.10
SB: $46.15
Hero (BB): $62.95

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q A
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.50, UTG+1 calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($3.35) A K 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $2, UTG+1 calls $2

Turn: ($7.35) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $5, UTG+1 raises to $10, Hero calls $5

River: ($27.35) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets $15, Hero calls $15
your bet-sizing is a little small, but otherwise i play it the same.
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04-07-2008 , 09:59 PM
i only play etiher hand if theres a chance i can steel the blinds.... or they fold to cbets to frequently
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04-08-2008 , 11:04 AM
C/R TPTK for value vs PFR, but play later streets passive to induce?

30/17/3/33h He had stolen at basically every opportunity that he had, but it's over a limited sample.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $457.75
CO: $200.00
BTN: $226.50
SB: $314.30
Hero (BB): $244.35

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T A
2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) 9 T 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero raises to $32, BTN calls $22

Turn: ($77.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $54, Hero?

I think flop should be a mix of c/r and c/c by default. On the turn and river, I tried to under rep my hand. I bluff c/r flops and usually shut down later. I took the above line to balance my play and because I think he fires again.
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04-08-2008 , 08:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadScientist
C/R TPTK for value vs PFR, but play later streets passive to induce?

30/17/3/33h He had stolen at basically every opportunity that he had, but it's over a limited sample.

Poker Stars $1/$2 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $457.75
CO: $200.00
BTN: $226.50
SB: $314.30
Hero (BB): $244.35

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with T A
2 folds, BTN raises to $6, 1 fold, Hero calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) 9 T 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $10, Hero raises to $32, BTN calls $22

Turn: ($77.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $54, Hero?

I think flop should be a mix of c/r and c/c by default. On the turn and river, I tried to under rep my hand. I bluff c/r flops and usually shut down later. I took the above line to balance my play and because I think he fires again.
So you call his river shove on any river card there?
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04-09-2008 , 12:19 AM
MS,

If you call the turn you really don't look that bluffable to me on the river.
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