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02-23-2008 , 08:32 PM
Jbrochu,

That first hand is a really bad double barrel. The 3h isn't a good card to fire again since it doesn't hit your range and if he thought he was ahead on the flop he likely still thinks so + it completely the flush draw, so when you combine the likelihood he hit a flush with the unlikelihood of him folding any pair, it's a bad spot to bet again.

The 2nd hand I'd check behind. Sure he can have stuff like JT here, but there are a ton of hands that improved to beat you on the river.
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02-23-2008 , 08:34 PM
jbrochu,
Not crazy over the two barrel and if you do go twice I like going three teams. I don't like going twice because people never fold a pair there especially if they have a pair and a FD.

Hand 2 check, you are vtowing youseflf vs. 76 or 54 too often.

Cha,
I kinf of like calling and getting it on on non terrible turns.
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02-23-2008 , 08:45 PM
Yeah I don't like my 2 barrel in the first hand either, and I lost heart and couldn't muster a third. I'm not sure he would have folded to it anyway. And not because my range was so polarized, I just don't think he can fold any piece ever after seeing some more hands with him.
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02-23-2008 , 09:13 PM
Hi, I'm donking around again.
Original raiser is a huge fish, 50 VPIP, pretty low PFR.
Coldcaller is a pretty tight regular.
How is this? Donking the flop seems bad in retrospective, I was distracted by some Adam Sandler movie(Punch-Drunk Love, seems to be pretty depressing).
How would it be to just call his flopminraise to make him do stupid stuff on the turn with overs?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($53.20)
Hero ($61.45)
UTG ($38.40)
MP ($22.15)
CO ($49.85)
Button ($81.40)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 5, 5.
2 folds, CO raises to $1, Button calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4, CO raises to $7, Button folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($15.25) 2, 6, 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, CO raises to $22, Hero raises to $54.45, CO folds.

Final Pot: $91.70
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02-23-2008 , 09:22 PM
sence25,

i don't like the squeeze pf, it's only a minr just take the odds and pwn.

flop play is standard. if he isn't calling ur shove thing then u got the most value possible
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02-23-2008 , 09:25 PM
cakewalk,
I thought my squeeze preflop would be good for to build a pot if I hit/probably take it down a lot pf or on the flop.
Like, the same reason we raise any pocket from any position in unraised pots.
Where am I wrong?
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02-23-2008 , 09:33 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sence25
cakewalk,
I thought my squeeze preflop would be good for to build a pot if I hit/probably take it down a lot pf or on the flop.
Like, the same reason we raise any pocket from any position in unraised pots.
Where am I wrong?
i don't think they fold enough to your raise to make it profitable
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02-23-2008 , 10:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sence25
cakewalk,
I thought my squeeze preflop would be good for to build a pot if I hit/probably take it down a lot pf or on the flop.
Like, the same reason we raise any pocket from any position in unraised pots.
Where am I wrong?
The problem with squeezing or 3-betting in general with small pocket pairs is if you get 4-bet you're usually not deep enough to call for implied odds. This sucks because you really want to see a flop with these hands.

It's not as bad if the raiser is in steal position since you're not as likely to have huge implied odds against their typical range anyway, but it's really bad imo to 3-bet or squeeze an early position raiser with small pockets.

In general, unless I'm opening I just flat with small pockets and especially here you would rather see the flop 3-way to increase your implied odds.
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02-24-2008 , 11:41 AM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (MP): $345.65
CO: $101.45
BTN: $51.60
SB: $318.20
BB: $122.45
UTG: $51.90

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with J T
1 fold, Hero raises to $3, 1 fold, BTN calls $3, 1 fold, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.50) 2 4 4 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BTN calls $6, BB raises to $30 Hero ?

villain is 20/18, i think he's 2p2
he hasn't really done anything to get out of line, seems fairly straightforward

my first thought was to fold here because i don't have the proper odds for a call, and i don't think that i have any FE with a shove.
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02-24-2008 , 11:49 AM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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BTN: $100.90
SB: $99.00
BB: $103.75
Hero (UTG): $125.50
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 6 6
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 9 5 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8

Turn: ($25.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($25.50) 6 (2 players)

Hero leads out or goes for a check/raise...?

Villain is loose passive preflop but seems to play more aggressive postflop, at least based on a limited sample of about 100 hands.
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02-24-2008 , 12:01 PM
Pre Flop: Hero is MP with J T

I lean toward folding also.

Villain is showing a lot of strength, especially with the half-stack cold caller he can't really be expecting to fold.

If this was heads up, I would definetely be pretty suspecious he was making a move.
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02-24-2008 , 01:46 PM
UTG appears to be a nit (9/4 over just 32 hands).

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (6 handed) Poker Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com (Format: 2+2 Forums)

MP ($53.90)
CO ($38.55)
Hero ($159.10)
SB ($103.20)
BB ($93.95)
UTG ($103.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, J.
UTG raises to $4, 2 folds, Hero calls $4, 2 folds.

Flop: ($9.50) 6, Q, 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $6, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($21.50) 5 (2 players)
UTG bets $15, Hero calls $15.

River: ($51.50) Q (2 players)
UTG bets $34, Hero raises to $134.1, UTG calls $44.20 (All-In).

Final Pot: $207.90

My original intent was to try and stack off against a big pair. On flop, I wanted to see if he would give up on the turn/try to get value against a mid pair/AK. On turn, I was like, duh, hidden flush draw. On river, I guess I reverted to my original plan to stack KK/AA, but was really confused when he led out strong into me like that after the Q paired.

I guess my question is did I play any street right here or is this a complete butchering?
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02-24-2008 , 01:53 PM
Venetian that hand looks fine to me except for the river shove. And the river shove can't be horrible at that level as people will still stack off with KK and AA there.
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02-24-2008 , 02:01 PM
cake, I'd probably fold too, but I think you have FE and you may be a slight favorite over his 88 or something. If he has 88 and shorty has better diamonds or if he has 22 you are in terrible shape and quads do happen and 45 is also possible. I don't think pushing would be horrible though in the right game with the right reads.

jbrochu, I'd lead unless you knew specifically he was aggro on the river. He's already checked once and will generally be more likely to call your bet than bluff and he'll be hard pressed to call your check-raise if he value bets most of his likely worse hands.
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02-24-2008 , 02:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $100.90
SB: $99.00
BB: $103.75
Hero (UTG): $125.50
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 6 6
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 9 5 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8

Turn: ($25.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($25.50) 6 (2 players)

Hero leads out or goes for a check/raise...?

Villain is loose passive preflop but seems to play more aggressive postflop, at least based on a limited sample of about 100 hands.
i'd lead out since he's played this hand passively, you lose too much value when he checks back.
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02-24-2008 , 09:10 PM
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $62.35
BB: $248.80
UTG: $117.35
MP: $93.50
Hero (CO): $98.50
BTN: $98.50

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) Q J T (2 players)
BB bets $7, Hero raises to $25, BB raises to $158, Hero calls $69.50 all in

Turn: ($197.50) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($197.50) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)


villain is 34/19/2 for 132 hands with a flop af of 4.25
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02-24-2008 , 09:31 PM
Dave - I think thats probably good vs a guy with #s like that.
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02-24-2008 , 10:14 PM
Keep in mind high af's can come from folding a lot too, but yeah I'm never folding there and I'm never flatting the donkbet.
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02-24-2008 , 10:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $62.35
BB: $248.80
UTG: $117.35
MP: $93.50
Hero (CO): $98.50
BTN: $98.50

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) Q J T (2 players)
BB bets $7, Hero raises to $25, BB raises to $158, Hero calls $69.50 all in

Turn: ($197.50) 7 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($197.50) 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)


villain is 34/19/2 for 132 hands with a flop af of 4.25
reload at the end of last hand
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02-24-2008 , 11:08 PM
villain is 63/6/0.4 54 hands.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BB: $98.50
UTG: $209.40
MP: $53.70
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $194.85
SB: $59.60

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A A
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) K T 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10

Turn: ($31.50) 2 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $30, UTG calls $30

River: ($91.50) 9 (2 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero ?
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02-24-2008 , 11:12 PM
You're getting 7:1 so I'd call and expect to usually be behind.
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02-24-2008 , 11:15 PM
dstick,

Call. The bastard is probably flushing. I might have gone even higher, but I like your bet amounts. The 9 hits 78 and T9 as well. Uber passive dude might be blocking, but probably not and if so he's not calling your raise with worth all the time.

Folding is out of the question of course.
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02-25-2008 , 07:32 AM
I have the Fgators syndrome i think.

This year so far has been BE for me. Last year I was actually winning though I did complain too much It appears that my WTSD has stayed the same but my won $ at showdown has dropped a few %s and non-showdown winnings are in the negative. What conclusions should I make?



Winnings
Non-Showdown winnings
Showdown winnigs
Rakeback
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02-25-2008 , 09:15 AM
meanwhile, heres a spot. villain just sat down, no reads or stats.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#859911926

SB ($108.25)
BB ($114.58)
Hero ($143.60)
UTG+1 ($107.85)
CO ($235.45)
BTN ($118.50)

Dealt to Hero 33

Hero raises to $3.50, fold, fold, fold, call, fold,

FLOP ($8) 973

check, Hero bets $6, SB calls $6,

TURN ($20) 973J

check, Hero bets $14, SB calls $14,

RIVER ($48) 973J8

SB bets $84.75, Hero?
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02-25-2008 , 09:59 AM
FWIW I was thinking on the river that the bet is bad and Villain is not a solid player. So not being a solid player he might be overvaluing his hand and betting two pair, slowplayed AA or w/e. The 8 is a very bad card for me obv.
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