with that turn sizing I dont think he's good. I bet/fold $40. Even if he's tight enough to only have AT+ in his Ax range I think its a valuebet still

I agree with you guys, but in game I checked back.

200NL 6-max on Bovada no HUD

Effective stacks are 104bb

Villain seemed solid and aggressive but I didn't observe anything out-of-line.

I was playing tighter than normal because the table as a whole was very aggressive and I was card dead -- especially the few times it was folded to me on the BTN and CO. I had 3-bet 2x (probably was like 12% or so in a very limited sample) and was probably something like 18/16.


I open CO to $6 with A4, villain 3-bets to $17 from BTN, blinds fold, I 4-bet to $39, villain 5-bets to $61.

Pot is $103 and it's $22 to me with $147 behind if I call but it sucks being OOP.

Not sure I should be 4-betting there without more history, but I thought villain would be sufficiently wide and I would get some extra respect because I was playing tight and stood a good chance to scoop it preflop.

Not sure what to make of that 5-bet and fairly confused as to what to do because normally the 5-bet comes in the form of a shove here and as it stands don't feel like we have enough history to bluff jam...

What position is villain? BTN or blinds?

Sorry - BTN. I edited it just after making the post.

I dont think just because you're tight you're gonna get 3b
I would prefer to 4bet more polar against this big size, its not gonna be a good strategy to 4bet medium strength hands out of position against a good opponent "maybe for value maybe for bluff' youre gonna get owned
Facing the 5bet however I like a flat now as I think most people would flat the 4bet in position with AK/AQ hands against a perceived tighter player and he will have KK/QQ a tonne and you're getting such a sweet price.

To clarify: my 4 bet was totally a bluff with the bonus of having a blocker plus at least having something if it gets flatted. My expectation though is that generic villain will usually fold or shove to a 4-bet even in position. Had I not 4-bet I would have folded this hand to the 3-bet.

Are we getting a sweet price? We don't like more than 15% of flops and we probably don't make money post.

Against a tight range A4s can do better than the likes of JJ.
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 28.942% 28.64% 00.31% 7355316 78375.00 { Ad4d }
Hand 1: 71.058% 70.75% 00.31% 18172494 78375.00 { QQ+ }
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 20.701% 16.81% 03.89% 22456944 5190822.00 { QQ }
Hand 1: 79.299% 75.41% 03.89% 100721124 5190822.00 { QQ+ }

Interestingly it doesn't matter if you add AK (28%) . We're 26% v KK+!
But the problem lies with the not liking many flops as devin mentioned we wont be able to realise our equity very easily. He might even be able to get away from it when we flop the ace. I guess fold then but no way im 4betting this hand out of position with 100bb against a big 3bet sizing

3-bet sizing really wasn't big. $18 would be "normal" for in position and pot size would be $21.

A lot of people use the small suited A's for their 5-bet bluff range (because of the equity calcs you showed) but it feels kind of sick to 6-bet bluff with it and not enough history to know if villain can be 5-bet bluffing here.

I would have been fine folding if he shoved over my 4-bet, and against the 3-bet I limited my choices to 4-bet or fold. Like I said I wasn't 4-betting for value. I thought given the situation he was likely wide enough with his 3-bet that my 4-bet bluff would be profitable.

I didn't account for getting it clicked back.

Now I don't like calling, folding, or shoving...

In these anonymous games it's really weird never having any decent number of hands to know for sure what kind of ranges any given villain is 3-betting/4-betting/5-betting with. The thing is you cannot also just assume that nobody has bluffs as part of their range in these situations. After 24 hours hand-histories have all hole card info and it's clear that aggressive players are bluffing pre-flop so you're going to get owned if you only play back when you have it.

The best you can do is evaluate situations and the info you know. In this case I felt like the 4-bet bluff would be profitable based on the player being aggressive, me being tightish, and the situation of CO versus BTN... (Meaning a good aggressive player is going to normally be 3-betting wide on the BTN versus a CO open.)

Do you guys think given this that my 4-bet is ok, neutral, bad, horrible?

it's really easy to overestimate villain's tendency to play back at us light here, as well as their likelihood to perceive us as tight. i would wait for more information on him, more information on how i'm perceived and also bluff with something that isn't going to be completely dominated by a lot of villain's continuing range, 54s, 64s, 79s etc.

I would say your 4bet is 'neutral' to 'bad' in a vacuum, but without the right information it can quickly become 'bad'. For example, after we flat we're now playing a guessing/hoping game in a huge pot OOP. If I really thought he was light I would just shove over his min 5bet (just typing that makes me want to fold to his 3bet given how much information we have on villain)

Thanks man. I think you're correct and maybe I should play more straightforward in these anonymous games unless I get better reads.

Also agree that jamming is likely better than calling. It's a good hand to jam bluff with because as entim showed it has decent equity against a very tight calling range when it gets to see all five cards.

In game I flatted, flopped the nut flush on a K high board, and stacked his AKo. Lucky donk!

I'm not sure about bluffing with the little suited connectors though. Small suited aces also make straights, they make the nut flush, and they can make top pair that beats some of the big hands villain can continue with like QQ/KK. Being dominated by bigger aces is a problem, but you also have a blocker to those hands.

Jbrochu, how are you using a HUD on Bovada? Unless you're doing arithmetic, in which case I apologize :P

Hold'em Indicator: http://www.holdemindicator.com/

It only works on a per session basis, but it can be helpful to identify fish a little quicker.

I've read the site TOC and comments from a Bovada rep (user name bodog_ice or something like that) in the zoo thread and believe it's ok to use and lots of other regs use it too.

m1/2 live no limit
TWO BLUFFS
Ive gone through which parts of the handz have merit in my head as well as reads a lot so will just post the raw hand histories for now


HAND 1:
9handed
3 limps
Im in c/o with T8o I limp, button limps, 6 way to flop
Pot (12)
Stacks I have 140e opponent covers with 300e

Flop J 9 2 I have no clubs
checks to me I bet 10e
button solid older reg calls

Turn K
I bet 25
He calls

River K
I jam for last ~90
thoughts?

HAND 2:
Opponent has 600 I cover
8 handed Im in the big blind I complete the straddle to 5 with K 4
5 way to the flop

Flop A J 2
Villain sb middle aged american player leads 8e into 25.
I raise to 26, he calls (pot 76)
Turn 9
check, I bet 60, he calls (pot 196)
River T
he checks quickly, I bet 150

appreciate any feedback

hand 1, you don't rep much on that flop, so i can see you getting called by JT, A9, (as well as QT or a K obviously). all flush draws fold with the possible exception of AXcc. i think it's a little thin, but the large bet on the river should convince all but the most stubborn to fold.

hand 2, you rep a much stronger holding, but if he's being stubborn with an ace i don't see him folding very often.

where i live the live 1/2 games r a joke. bluffing would be a mistake. they never fold.

i dont like hand 1 bluff ur repping like deuces full and like kings full i would be speculative about the action you were giving. it kinda makes sense but not rly.

hand two i love the line he either has to be a hero or a station

I much prefer the line in 1) to 2)
8To hand: I dont think he has KQ he would raise preflop, and he isnt the type to call KT, so I think he has QT, QJ, TJ, Q9, 9T, K9, KJ, nut flush draws, J9 occasionally
I think if he folds all hands QJ and below its a profitable bluff but if you start to add KT and KQ it prob becomes bad ?
[Flop is a mandatory bet, im basically never getting check raised , everyone is betting their big draws and big hands multiway here in case it gets checked through]

K4cc: I think its a call on the flop, I make more out of the hand getting players to call behind with gutshots (they will) and lower fd's. And if I do raise the flop to fold out Jx then I should check back this turn because Ax is never folding at this point and I might get paid off with the FD with a check back. Not really sure about the river its a heavy assumption that he will fold a bare ace, I think he will to this size though. He seemed quite proud to mincash the donkament earlier he's not a splashy player.

[converted_hand][hand_history]Poker Stars, $0.08/$0.16, $0.04 ante No Limit Hold'em Cash, 5 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #25415791

BTN: $44.22 (276.4 bb)
Hero (SB): $16.13 (100.8 bb)
BB: $30.56 (191 bb)
MP: $45.78 (286.1 bb)
CO: $40 (250 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T T
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.40, Hero raises to $1.60, BB folds, BTN calls $1.20

Flop: ($3.56) 9 Q 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1.73, Hero calls $1.73

Turn: ($7.02) T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($7.02) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.41, Hero calls $3.41

he's 40/21 over a short 60 hand sample

i like cbetting there for value for a couple reasons. ur smashing villains r/c range, looks kinda flatty, he is more likely to float with the gutters and backdoors in his range, missed value from 9x 5x that check back, not a whole lot of great turns which could likely get double barreled.

as played villains line makes no sense the duece is a total brick so im calling the river bet.

2/3 blinds live casino. bunch of regs at the table and a couple of unknowns.

62o in the bb. limped pot 7 handed.

Flop $21 : 345 rainbow

i bet $20 and i have $400 behind, unknown young asian woman in ep has about $170 makes it $40.
folds to lp older asian guy i've played with before who plays loose passive, but can get aggressive when he's drunk. he's been pretty quiet so i don't think he's been drinking much. he raises to $160 and has me covered.

hero?

I would fold. 7 way so many combinations and I think he has to give credit to either of you for having 26/67. when he has A2 I think he's going to stick it in seldom.
It depends how he reacted before he bet if he snap raised/decision made I would fold if it looked like he was genuinely agonising a bit before raising I would go all-in

But wait, how loose pre flop? Because if he's capable of having all combos of 26s I would not fold ever I just assume he's going to fold those pre flop a lot you should have a fair idea of pre flop ranges sometimes older live guys complete lp with napkins

he raised pretty quick. i don't think he limps with 62o, but 62s is in his range

Tank call to get EP to call off with her overpair. Jam all non paired turns.

Feel like lp guy more likely to limp a2o than 67o, and also is taking that line with flopped sets.

Dont play much live but kinda feel like people that get out of line when they drink might also get out of line if theyre bored, havent been getting many playable hands.

Eh mass multiway pot might mean more aces removed, idk pretty close.