random tight-asses at .5/1 play 88-JJ just like this, id just toss it

Kibby,
Assuming he is 100bbs deep he should be raising all pairs UTG. He should have a read to lrr AA and not just do it to mix it up

I'm pretty sure raising any pair UTG at a full ring table is at best marginal or neutral EV and at worst, considerable spew.

Edit: Obviously will depend on the table, but I think generally speaking it's a leak.

your roomate is levelling himself. The last thing he wants to do is play small pots w/ AA to allow him to play small pots w/ other very good hands more often

Kibby, he probably read somewhere about limp reraising AAxx in Omaha which is pretty unexploitable at the Omahahaha lower limits.

Kibby, are you talking about 6max or full ring?

In 6max it is bad. If it's worth playing, it's worth opening for a raise.

In full ring, you can certainly use limp/raising as a strategy with AA. But, just like anything you need to mix up your range. You need to be limp/raising with other hands to. Most do not, most pick up small pots when they do this because their hand is face up. And, if you are deep (>100 bbs), you really don't want to be playing your AA face up.

Ya, its full ring. I'm agreeing with and have told him pretty much everything that has been said here. I was confident in my answers but don't play full ring so I wasn't overly so that I didn't want to check with you guys. thanks for the help.

How would you react to the statement, "But you don't want 4 cold callers leaving you playing AA OOP"

I said, sure you do. You'd rather have a raise, but you have the best hand and more money in the pot the better. Thoughts?

tell him to learn how to play poker or switch to donkaments? I could use his logic to make a case for openshoving 99+, AQ+ at a FR cash game as well.

blackize,
You could be right, I don't play full ring. Although I would be sorta interested in 12 tabling 2/4 fr or something because it seems like printing money.

just find FR tables that are 3-6 handed and sit at them and LAG it up, the regs are completely lost. by the time the table fills up, you have a nice maniacal image and you can tighten up and get paid off on everything.

LOL, ya I basically told him he has to learn to play better post flop poker if that's a problem for him.

On a side note, I <3 cash now. I struggled for about 3 months learning but have finally started raking it in. $500 more until I'm rolled for 1/2. I can't believe I was ever scared to play this stuff.

CO was a pretty big nit(13/12/3 AF over 412 hands) but I was really running over the table. IIRC I was somewhere around 42/42 over 80 hands at the table. IMO, his flat pre has to be a lower pocket pair 99% of the time. Little unsure on turn and river. Seems like betting the turn serves no point as he's either got me crushed or he's drawing real thin. River I considered a 2/3 pot bet but didn't think many hands I beat would call.



Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $451.05
CO: $322.60
BTN: $224.60
SB: $98
BB: $435.25
Hero (UTG): $487.70

Pre-Flop: J J dealt to Hero (UTG)
Hero raises to $7, MP folds, CO calls $7, 2 folds, BB calls $5

Flop: ($22) 5 2 6 (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero bets $17, CO calls $17, BB folds

Turn: ($56) T (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO bets $36, Hero calls $36

River: ($128) 4 (2 Players)
Hero checks, CO checks

Results: $128 Pot ($3 Rake)
CO showed 7 7 (a pair of Sevens) and LOST (-$60 NET)
Hero showed J J (a pair of Jacks) and WON $125 (+$65 NET)

futuredoc, check your pm's please.

gtr

I hate getting floated but 3 streets of value here plz.

Does a 13/12 really pay off 3 streets here? Especially when he flatted my flop bet with another player left to act. I think betting the turn is asking for him to either fold his under pair or raise me. If he does call the turn there's almost no way he pays off a river bet.

The river card really sucked as it 2 hands(33/44) in his very narrow range of hands.

THREE MYSTERIOUS HANDS THAT PUZZLE THE WORLD

FIRST HAND

Villain seems loose-passive both pre and post flop. Did I miss a value bet on the river? Against which types of playrs would you check. which bet?

WustenfuchsG ($107.35)
POKEO77 ($87.30)
Putin10 ($146.71)
GonorrheaUrNutz ($171.30)
Firetribe ($115.75)
brudasek ($28.20)

WustenfuchsG posts (SB) $0.50
POKEO77 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe J J
fold, fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
fold, fold,
POKEO77 call,

FLOP ($7.50) 5 4 2
POKEO77check,
Firetribe bets $7
POKEO77 calls $7

TURN ($21.50) 6
POKEO77 check,
Firetribe bets $16
POKEO77 calls $16

RIVER ($53.50) 8
check, check,
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SECOND HAND

Villain is TAG preflop, more on the passive side post flop. Should I check-call turn or river? Id so, why? Did I make a good laydown? His river aggression was below zero FWIW.

BeepBeepIamAJeep ($141.10)
givemebeat ($102.55)
fool25 ($224.60)
Firetribe ($100)
Preeesi ($103.05)
EricKing ($137.65)

BeepBeepIamAJeep posts (SB) $0.50
givemebeat posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Q A
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
fold,
EricKing call,
fold, fold,

FLOP ($8.50) T 3 A
Firetribe bets $7
EricKing calls $7

TURN ($22.50) 7
Firetribe bets $15
EricKing calls $15

RIVER ($52.50) 7
Firetribe bets $26
EricKing raises to $112.15
Firetribe folds

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THIRD HAND

Villain is LAG over 40 hands. 38/27/7.2. He has been able to lay down some of his raises to 3bets, some he has not. I have not 3bet him yet. I know that the aggression factor is pretty damn high but still the way he played it seems like he has an Ace (weak or w/e) plenty. No? I'd like to be a showdown monkey here ok?

Stacks 100BBs, 6-handed.
3 fold
Button raises to $3
Hero (SB) raises to $13 Q Q
BB folds
Button calls

Flop: 3 6 A ($27)
Hero bets $20
Villain raises to $43
Hero?

1st hand looks OK, you can probably value-bet but i think its hard to get paid off here and sets/2pair that are scared of the 4-straight are a big part of his range i think.

2nd hand is fine, turn can be a c/c but i like betting till you get raised there. River fold is good.

3rd hand i hate the flop bet vs someone that aggressive, Id c/c the flop vs him. Vs a station you can v-bet the flop probably but anytime you bet here its a bet/fold

totally readless since he just sat and ive never seen him before.

Poker Stars $3/$6 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $588.00
SB: $726.00
BB: $120.00
UTG: $795.45
Hero (MP): $1293.85
CO: $600.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with J T
UTG raises to $24, Hero calls $24, CO calls $18, 3 folds

Flop: ($81.00) T J 9 (3 players)
UTG bets $67, Hero raises to $204, CO calls $204, UTG folds

Turn: ($556.00) 3 (2 players)

Hero wonders if the coldcall on the flop is ever anything but KQ, a set, or a split, and if we do have the best hand enough to get it in, is shoving or checking better?

I dont think this is THAT tough of a spot but its not super easy either at a level where you cant auto-assume that someone you've never heard of is terrible either.

Karp,

Hand 1 - I'd check/call the river hoping to snap a bluff from some weird float or flush draw. I don't expect him to have much he can call with that you beat at this point except like A5 or A6

Hand 2 - Definitely have to bet the turn as worse aces call and you don't want to give a free card to a flush draw. When he raises the river you're usually toast so I definitely fold.

Hand 3 - I'd check/call the flop and check/fold if he bets flop and turn. It's hard to get him to call a bet with a worse hand if you lead + I think you get bluffed a lot when you check the turn if he calls your flop bet.

Thanks man.

Would you go to showdown on most occasions?

I'm IP. Sorry for the messy conversion.

Is there any type of villain youd call against here (based on HUD stats, not real reads)?

pretty much the only way im getting to showdown is if

a) he only bets one street

b) he bets flop, checks turn behind, and bets river when every draw misses

c) my hand improves

Nate, pretty interesting spot. The board is really really wet, but I think most of the draws would shove the flop. I'm not really sure what play is best. Against a strong range that includes a few pair + OESD hands and a few flush draws in addition to 2 pairs, sets, and straights, you've got between 25 and 30% equity. It definitely looks like a spot where a check fold could be right.

Edit: And if we assume he shoves some of his draws on the flop I think that makes it even more of a fold.

Given the range you put him on. I like your line Mikey W.

I agree completely with FD's thoughts on getting to showdown in the QQ hand.

Sorry about misreading your first hand. Given that you're IP and there are so few hands he can call a bet with and lots of hands in his range just improved, definitely check behind.

In hand 2 the only way I'm calling that river raise based solely on stats is if he's one of those looser donks/maniacs that are calling stations on the flop and turn but love to bomb the river.