Simple spot against complete Unknown. Very first hand ever together.
What would you do and why? Also, if you go post flop are you felting TP?
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UTG: $253.70
MP: $116.10
Hero (CO): $375.25
BTN: $212.80
SB: $240.45
BB: $200

Pre-Flop: Q K dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, 2 folds, BB raises to $26, Hero folds

Results: $17 Pot
BB mucked and WON $17 (+$9 NET)

Devin, I don't ever lay down a straight flush draw like in that 67s hand to the fools we play against. And you always have a least some fold equity there. People splash around with that bet 3b line more than most people appreciate. Hopefully you saw 52s for the dominated oesfd and pwned.


Slim, I want to go on record saying I like your AJ rr all in line. It is opponent dependent and you will see better hands, but many worse as well when called. You can't be laying down TPTK on a coordinated two tone board there against a LAG range.

That's what I'd do.

Madsci,

I fold. It's probably a fold just based on averages and I've learned that for me anyway it's good to be careful with complete unknowns. I think it's too easy to assume because it's the first hand or w/e that they are full of it.

nah, he had a set and I didn't improve. Well I did, I think I hit my 7. But, I didn't post because of the results, I posted because I was like "he has a set, ah well, I'm all in.".... then he had a set.

I like this question because as a noob these are the things that are most "unknown" to me.


I'm guessing Vs an unknown I can't see how calling is good. Possibly at 2/4 and higher it's fine as unknowns will be 3 betting light but at 1/2 I think folding is fine.

If you do call you better damn well stack off on a K or Q high board.

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SB: $290.60
Hero (BB): $200
UTG: $307.35
CO: $222.70
BTN: $232

Pre-Flop: 6 6 dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG folds, CO raises to $7, BTN calls $7, SB folds, Hero raises to $31, 2 folds

Results: $22 Pot
Hero mucked 6 6 and WON $22 (+$15 NET)

Should I ever be flatting a pocket pair here vs aggro's here or anyone for that matter? What about if he raised from utg with 1 caller?

Or JTx, T9x, Txxhh, Txxss

66 hand,

I'd usually flat here rather than squeeze. With two players your immediate and implied odds are much better.

If it was just the CO I'd sometimes 3-bet, sometimes call, and sometimes fold. All depends on the flow and our history.

villian is 60/2/4 over 200 hands

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BB: $25
UTG: $20
UTG+1: $28
MP1: $50
MP2: $60
Hero (CO): $69
BTN: $51
SB: $180

Pre-Flop: A K dealt to Hero (CO)
4 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, BTN folds, SB calls $1.5, BB folds

Flop: ($4.00) A 7 8 (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.00, SB calls $3.00

Turn: ($10.00) K (2 Players)
SB bets $10.00, Hero ?

4 is a HUUUUUUUUUUUUGE AF when they are playing 60% of hands.

I'd probably call, and let him bet again. Then I'm raising any non-diamond river...depending on his bet size, it'll probably be a shove.

DD - I flat the 66.

I fold the KQ hand to an unknown regardless of the stakes. The higher stakes will have a higher percentage of regulars, who you will know at least a little about most of the time. But, the unknowns are likely to be, shall we say, unconventional.

he raises to $37.. next action ?

I call a shove.

So you're raising/calling on a Thh and Tss board? Even the gutshot board? Against an unknown? I can't wrap my head around this

I agree with you Devin. The conversation started with my responding to Karp's question about if you can ever 4-bet bluff then fold. I responded that players in higher stakes very aggressive games do this and most of my comments were about those types of games.

I don't play in those games so I was kind of paraphrasing the arguments as I understood them. 4-bet bluffing at the levels I play would probably be a significant leak, not that I haven't tried it once or twice.

Edit: there is a pretty good thread at Leggo on this topic of 4-bet sizes and if it's ever right to 4-bet bluff/fold. I would link it but I'm not sure what the 2+2 rules are about linking something that requires a (free) site registration to view.

Thanks for that 4-bet thingy. It's pretty cool.

The only way I call with KQ pre is if he makes a small three bet against certain guys I will 4bet call a shove some percent of the time.

I would make it 30 and call a shove with AK.

Mike,
I wouldn't always shove those boards, but you have a lot of FE and 6-10 outs, assuming he is three betting lightish, which he should be if you are calling pre.

Thanks for everyones patience on the 4bet topic. I'm sure this wasnt the first time in the history of NLHE that this was asked.

The thing with my KQo hand is that it is our first hand together Ever and he just sat down which makes me suspicious right off the bat. Also, I have position and a hand that has some solid equity when it connects.
FWIW, if it was suited, I am definitely seeing a flop and if I hit a K or Q, and the money goes all in I prefer it happens when he double barrels me. However, this may partly be because I looked up how I was doing with certain hands in pokertracker and KQo was real marginal, but KQs showed a large profit. In general, being suited is Way more valuable than I had previously thought.

Ditch Digger, the thing about squeezing now, these days, is that you can four bet a squeezer with a wide range and it is profitable, like make it 85-90 and call a shove obv or just shove. The fake squeeze on stars to 32-34 in spots like that with KK is standard for some regs for that reason as they are trying to induce the shove.
In a sense, squeezing wide has it's limits and fake squeezing is now profitable.

I'd usually fold here but would often 4 bet from the sb.

As for what to do post flop, I wouldn't felt tp type hands unless I was going for some image and clearly I'm not good enough to be doing that.

I'm saying that the only way I'm calling a 3-bet with KQo is because the guy is three betting me too light. So, if I have a board with any kinda of equity like overs and a gutshot or overs and a backdoor draw, I'm shoving over his c-bet.

Ah, gotcha. You would in fact not do this against an unknown then. Whew. I was starting to think I just aint got what it takes. Not that that's not true anyway

New to table...
Am I overthinking this?

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Hero (CO): $283.05
BTN: $17.30
SB: $94.50
BB: $56.90
UTG: $517.75

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with Q A
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($15.50) J K A (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($15.50) T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $12, BB waited a bit before BB calls $12, UTG folds

River: ($39.50) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $39.90 all in, Hero...

31/14/1.3 af by street --> 1.5/1.8/1.5 ~200 hands
I'm like 26/22 and have been raising limpers a lot, I've 3 bet villian a couple times but not crazy...he's folded every time.

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Hero (SB): $192.55
BB: $52.60
UTG: $172.60
CO: $98.50
BTN: $559.95

Pre-Flop: K A dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG checks, CO folds, BTN raises to $4, Hero raises to $15, 2 folds, BTN calls $11

Flop: ($31) J 9 8 (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($31) A (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $25, Hero calls $25

River: ($81) K (2 Players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $519.95 and is All-In, Hero...