perfect guy to 3 bet pf

i like it if you call a river bet when you hit a T/9.

Guy has been here for 12-13 hands, raised 2 hands(66,ATo) but been mostly quiet.

What is standard here?

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BB ($43)
Hero ($100.05)
MP ($70.90)
Button ($67.45)
SB ($8.05)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, J.
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, SB calls $1.75, BB raises to $43, Hero ?

Didn't have any stats on him yet, but super loose, played almost every hand out of like 10. I hadn't seen him be aggro postflop although he had donk bet in to raisors a few times.

1)More on flop?
2)Best turn action?

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CO: $72.40
Hero (BTN): $49.25
SB: $35.55
BB: $51.30
UTG: $204.05

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K T
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.50) Q 4 Q (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3

Turn: ($10.50) J (2 players)
SB bets $0.50, Hero ?

RE: JJ

Weird spot, but I'd expect to have to call with JJ here vs an unknown ridiculous shove. It sort of depends on how much we weight AA,KK and how far down the pair list he goes. You don't have to go down too far to keep a positive expected value.

edit: You don't even have to discount AA and KK to keep it +EV as long as you include 99 and TT. (of course I'm also including AK, AQ hands, and once you get into smaller pairs and more unpaired crap it's super easy.)

RE: KTs

I would call the turn. I don't think you have to go any more than you did on the flop, I would have played it the same. If he had donked the flop, I'd raise, but now on the turn, you probably no longer have the best hand, *and* you're probably an underdog without much fold equity. <--I'm not sure what it is but there is probably a flaw in my thinking about this last sentence. Comments?

JJ, I call. He has AK or some other hand he doesnt want to see a flop with like TT- or some random crap.

KT hand. It looks like a bet to see where he's at. If I had a worse hand I'd raise to like $8 or so. But, you have so much equity that getting shoved on sucks, so I flat getting this insane price.

My plan is the give up on the river usually, or I think u'll really need to bet large on the river to bluff him off something that's not a Q. If he doesn't have a Q, they often will call anything on the river cause you flatted the turn, letting them know (rightly or wrongly) where they were at.

Devin,
Do you see stacks in the KT hand I think I just make it 12 and call a shove.

ugh pudge, I'm struggling to articulate my thoughts here. So, hopefully this isn't too dumb.

I didn't look at stacks, no. But, it's still 70bbs to start the hand. I think if you raise/call you have a flush draw and a oesd that is discounted cause it's a pair board (I do not think this is a bad option esp with villains line). If you just flat, you could have up to 6 more (K and T sometimes) outs because his donk range on this turn is >>>> than his b/3bet range.

That being said, it's difficult to quantify the EV difference between the two options because predicting his river action is tough and you have some reverse implied odds with the K and T as well.

I think the KT hand depends on history and flow somewhat, but my inclination is to call. You've described the guy as super loose, so he won't fold weak pairs very often on the turn if he called with them on the flop and he'll call off too much if you hit. Don't be afraid to overbet the pot if you hit on the river.

I'm a cash donk, do you think this is a good basic guideline for SSNL 6max? I think I improved a lot after reading it and find myself in less difficult spots. I have trouble spotting when I shouldn't cbet, at the moment I c-bet 100% if I think my range is ahead of my opponents range on the flop.

I usually cbet this but decided to check. Villain was 78/22/4 over 36 hands and has called a few of my cbets.

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UTG: $44.60
MP: $22.90
CO: $47.15
Hero (BTN): $59.60
SB: $52.40
BB: $43.80

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 6 6
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.50, 2 folds, MP calls $2

Flop: ($5.75) 2 A 8 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.75) 4 (2 players)
MP bets $4, Hero calls $4

River: ($13.75) J (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

Pktones,

I'd c-bet that flop. As played after the flop, it looks ok.

IFold,

Against this type of player I often just over limp 66 because of how often he probably peels the flop light. In this case there are very few gut shots, or any other hands he could reasonable peel that light with. He'll probably call with K high though Anyway, I bet this flop because your hand is probably best, but is so vulnerable. He has a 22% raise % so he's less likely to have an A or a pp >66. If he calls, I'm shutting down cause the flop is so dry and you have SD value with any pair against a villain like this.

Edit: another factor to consider when deciding to c-bet is the double barrelability of the situation. In a hand like this, double barreling would be very bad, so if I had a hand with less value than 66 I would consider just checking. Probably not on a board as dry as this, but something where he could show up with more gut shots, peel with A high, etc.

Thanks for the feedback. Here is another one:

Joined this table 6 hands ago but I am sure BTN is laggy (from an observed hand), I wanted to check-raise him on the flop but with the 2nd caller decided to flat it. pf ok? Should the turn bet be bigger? ...or is the turn just spew?

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CO: $48.75
BTN: $30.05
SB: $36.95
Hero (BB): $49.00
UTG: $39.70

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 7 8
2 folds, BTN raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.25, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.50) 3 6 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets $3, SB calls $3, Hero calls $3

Turn: ($13.50) 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $8.50...

TFG,

I would fold the JJ hand just because I feel like an idiot when he flips over QQ+ at showdown. Also, better spots to get it in and the guy is clearly an idiot. One question tho, you said out of 12 hands he's shown ATo and 66 - were those standard showdowns or did he buy in short and shove those too?

KTs that turn bet is redic but I'd still only call. I'd call the river if I hit too unless he checks.

78cc....

This is a perfect squeeze spot preflop, so I'd probably take it with you been new to the table and obv having a good image.

Flop, I probably donk into the preflop raiser just hoping to take it down. The flop is unlikely to have hit anyone and your implied odds aren't great on a draw.

As played, turn card didn't really change anything, and I think you are likely to get called by SB with whatever he could peel the flop with.

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BTN: $24.85
Hero (SB): $129.45
BB: $128.05
UTG: $97.40
CO: $14.90

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J A
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $12, Hero calls $8

Flop: ($24.00) 3 9 J (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $24, Hero raises to $117.45 all in

BB is 28/18 over 95 hands. 12% 3-bet and c-bets pretty much all the time as the preflop 3-bettor.

Slim, I don't usually call any 3-bets oop. But that's a personal thing.

I'd probably lead out at the flop and snap call a shove. I don't want to give a free card, and he'll bluff raise or semi bluff a lot of his hands.

you cant squeeze here w/ 87s becaue of effective stacks imo. everything else i agree with

also the prop bet thing is going ok, still too early to tell if ill make it for sure but i think i will

yea, I forgot to look at stacks. I always pay attention to stack when i'm playing fwiw

Yeah, I don't either but especially BvB against what I think is a loose 3-bettor I can't just be folding every time he 3-bets. I don't steal-raise garbage from the SB anyway. I think he's just being a robot and 3-betting a lot there. This is way different than calling a 3-bet from UTG+1 after I've opened UTG.

Why is a free card bad? I see six/eight bad cards in the deck. I think he's definitely betting any decent draw anyway. I can't imagine he'd straight bluff my flop donk-lead unless we had a history of such encounter, which we didn't.

My hope is the overbet-shove looks really bluffy/semi-bluffy and I get looked up by TT/66-88 there as well as KJ,QJ,JT. Ax hands are much farther behind than they might think they are too. Do you think there's a way for me to possibly get away from TPTK in a 3-bet BvB pot? Should I be thinking such things?

It's really hard to get away from TPTK in 3bet pots. The best way to avoid getting it in bad with TPTK in 3bet pots is to stop calling 3bets with hands that don't make strong top pairs.

95 hands isn't really enough to get an idea of his 3betting range unless he's 3betting you once an orbit or you have a really loose image. I don't think calling 3bets with AJ type hands OOP is going to be profitable until you get some serious reads.

Villain is 22/13/2.6. I don't have much of a history with him, but this hand happened earlier at the same table.

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UTG: $420.30
MP: $262.00
CO: $399.00
BTN: $773.40
SB: $671.20
Hero (BB): $482.80

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9 9
2 folds, CO raises to $14, 2 folds, Hero calls $10

Flop: ($30.00) 6 4 8 (2 players)
Hero bets $20, CO calls $20

Turn: ($70.00) Q (2 players)
Hero bets $55, CO raises to $140, Hero raises to $448.80 all in, CO calls $225 all in

River: ($800.00) 9 (2 players - 2 are all in)



So, the hand in question...

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BTN: $388.00
SB: $390.00
BB: $1151.46
Hero (CO): $932.80

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 6 7
Hero raises to $14, 1 fold, SB calls $12, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.00) 4 3 K (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero raises to $85, SB raises to $188, Hero ????

Devin,

I doubt he's folding anything he's 3betting on the flop and I doubt you have better than 50% equity against his range so I think shoving is bad. You have 12 outs not all of which are clean. Getting 3:1 though it's pretty close but I think it's a fold because of RIO.