What kind of preflop 4-betting range are you thinking about for UTG?

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MP: $101.00
Hero (CO): $101.50
BTN: $100.00
SB: $109.20
BB: $113.75
UTG: $98.25

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 7 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) 9 T 8 (2 players)
BB bets $11, Hero raises to $30, BB calls $19

Turn: ($68.50) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...?

No reads yet I just sat down this orbit.

I didn't particularly like any of my options here. Curious what everyone thinks is best.

I would call here most of the time but I don't hate 4-betting. I don't have much experience 3-handed though mostly I run away when the table breaks...

I think as played I would have folded too but I would have strongly considered just calling preflop. I know he has weird numbers but with a PFR of only 14 he's probably on a fairly narrow range UTG. I don't like building big pots OOP, and it's pretty safe to assume he has a better chance of making a big mistake postflop vs. you than vice versa.

No way we can fold if we 4bet, so I like calling readless.

meh, you're right it sucks, and I'm not 100% sure on this, but I think both bet/folding or checking back are options for discussion. I'm not sure that someone would bluff that card *too* often after the line you've taken/the line up till now, and if the turn checked through and villain jammed river or bet anything moderately big even, I'd vomit a little IMO...anyone else's thoughts?

Jb, I might of raised a bit more than the pot on the flop. Lots of cards kill us and/or our action. We can also set up a turn shove better.

Amt, checking is really bad for the above reasons, our hand still has a lot of value. I'm definitely going broke, lots of draws aren't there yet.

I'm pretty well set up for a turn shove here since I have almost exactly one PSB left in my stack. I just wasn't sure if any straight draws or one pair hands would call a shove on that board.

I don't think bet/folding the turn is a good option since any meaningful bet puts at least 2/3 of my stack in the middle.

Would it have been ridiculous to shove on the flop here?

Karp,
JJ hand looks fine. I would raise the flop with AQ because he is making ******ed bets and I want to get more money in the flop.

Mike,
I don't really know how .5/1 plays but I would 4bet call a shove at 2/4.

Slim,
Hypothetically you three bet pre, he calls flop is 823 rainbow you bet he raises you?
You bet he calls turn is a 8, 9, A you?

As played fold preflop or get it in on that flop.

Jbrochu,
bet call the turn stack two pair sets AcTx, AcJx, Ac7x, etc. etc.

pudge,

i think most 2 pair and set hands put in another bet/raise on that flop. im not narrowing his range to just a flush but like are the games really that crazy?

TFG,

i know, but lots of draws to better hands are, and given the aciton, i don't know how many of those draws that aren't there are bet/calling flop then bet/3b or bet/calling turn again when most of their outs wouldnt be clean.....

i know we have a straight people suck @ poker yada yada and i like a turn bet i just think you guys might be overestimating how many dumb hands just insta always b/c b/3b b/c etc... in this type of spot....w/e, i didnt look at stacks close enough so bet/fold doesn't seem to be an option and i know checking kinda sucks too so i guess b/c is our only option but i still think the point is valid that when he c/r AI I don't think he has quite as wide a range as its made out to be.

edit: i also did not see he overpotted flop for some reason i just though he led close to pot or pot. yeah so i suck, apparently. that is all.

I'm pretty sure bet folding is best because given the flop action, it's really likely that the information we get when he shoves will be pure(we're crushed) and we can safely fold.

The first thing I do is look at his flop stats, and I see he's very passive and floats a fair amount. He also doesn't raise flops hardly at all, so I probably fold to any flop raise on pretty much any board. I think I can do that because I don't expect a loose-passive player like that to be making random plays at me the way a TAGgy-looking regular might.

Check all of those cards, and not always because I think I'm behind.

4-bet/call a push is fine, if you call you're gonna have to stack off on pretty much any flop that gives you 6+ outs to top pair or better with this being 3-handed.

shove, lots of AJ/KJ combos have a flush draw now and hes not folding a set

I was putting him on a tight 4-betting range. JJ+, AK and I tried some tighter and some with a bluff or something in it.

He has a reasonable number of hands that are flipping you and a few hands that dominate you. If he folds all the flipping hands you get to be around neutral EV.

If you think that smallish 4 bet is a monster: If he has KK+ you are 36.6% against the whole range. If you shove and he calls with all hands you lose $53 or so. ($114 or so for $61 in equity) If he could fold all of those that don't have a heart, you win like $12.

No matter what his ranges are, unless they have a lot of bluffs, he has to fold nearly all of his flipping hands to make up for the times he has the nuts or an overpair with a heart.

Oh holy **** I didn't notice stack=pot on the turn. Nvm this just shove.

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jbrochu,

There are a lot of worse hands that can call you.

If you let him do the betting for you, you are going to end up checking, rivering a blank and paying off all of his better hands, but getting value from none of his worse hands.

Bet while he can still pay off with a draw/combo.

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UTG: $147.50
MP: $56.30
CO: $89.50
BTN: $76.45
Hero (SB): $152.40
BB: $100

Pre-Flop: A A dealt to Hero (SB)
3 folds, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $4, BB folds, BTN calls $3

Flop: ($9) 6 3 3 (2 Players)
Hero bets $6, BTN calls $6

Turn: ($21) 5 (2 Players)
Hero bets $16, BTN calls $16

River: ($53) 8 (2 Players)

Hero?

Not a very interesting hand but it's definitely a spot where I'm having the most trouble adjusting to cash, bet sizing post flop. Should I just be shoving rivers when all I have left is a PSB? Villain was a 23/10/.83 through 40 or so hands. Also, feel free to rip apart my bet sizing on earlier streets.

DD,

I'd bet 7 on the flop and then 20ish on the turn. The flop is somewhat wet so I'm betting larger to protect. If you go 7 and 20 then you're looking at a $45 shove into a $60 pot not to mention you've gotten more money out of diamonds. I like to set up my river shoves to be somewhere between 1/2 and 3/4 pot since it's easier for them to call.

DD, what blackize said. Raise 5 pf, then this hand sets up even better. You can bet 8 on the flop, 20ish on turn, then jam, bam, thank you mam.

That's funny cause I absolutely adore shoving here.

With the thin info we have on this guy shoving looks best.

What are the best stats (in holdemmanagers massive stat options) to determine how one plays one's draws one the flop (raise'em or call'em) when A) the PF raiser or B) the PF caller?

Saw this hand in SSNL. Is this turn really a good bet? Everybody that posted in that thread seemed to think it was fine. Is checking the turn too much showdown tournament thinking?

Betting the turn in that hand is good because it gets value from flush draws and hands like JT that picked up more outs.