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02-01-2008 , 06:44 PM
Can someone point me to some good 6 max threads for noobs? Mainly concerned with pf starting hands and 3 bet hands. Thanks.

Right now this is probably close to my opening range. Am I way off here?

UTG: AJo+, ATs, KTs+, KJo+, QJs, JTs, 22+
UTG+1: AT+, KT+, QT+, J9s+, 87s+, 22+
CO: A8s, ATo+, K9s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J9s+, JTo, 76s+, 97s+, 22+
Button: A2s+, A8o+, K8s+, K9o+, Q8s+, Q9o+, J8s+, J9o+, 65s+, 86s+, 22+
SB: Same as CO
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02-01-2008 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
Can someone point me to some good 6 max threads for noobs? Mainly concerned with pf starting hands and 3 bet hands. Thanks.

Right now this is probably close to my opening range. Am I way off here?

UTG: AJo+, ATs, KTs+, KJo+, QJs, JTs, 22+
UTG+1: AT+, KT+, QT+, J9s+, 87s+, 22+
CO: A8s, ATo+, K9s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J9s+, JTo, 76s+, 97s+, 22+
Button: A2s+, A8o+, K8s+, K9o+, Q8s+, Q9o+, J8s+, J9o+, 65s+, 86s+, 22+
SB: Same as CO
Read any post made by pokey in the uNL forum. Just open the stickies and go to town. He mentions in one of his posts that a noob playing only 22+, AK from UTG would not be giving up that much until your no longer a noob.

(Tried to find the exact link I mentioned but no luck.)

Last edited by checkmate36; 02-01-2008 at 07:52 PM.
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02-02-2008 , 03:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ditch Digger
Can someone point me to some good 6 max threads for noobs? Mainly concerned with pf starting hands and 3 bet hands. Thanks.

Right now this is probably close to my opening range. Am I way off here?

UTG: AJo+, ATs, KTs+, KJo+, QJs, JTs, 22+
UTG+1: AT+, KT+, QT+, J9s+, 87s+, 22+
CO: A8s, ATo+, K9s+, KTo+, Q9s+, QTo+, J9s+, JTo, 76s+, 97s+, 22+
Button: A2s+, A8o+, K8s+, K9o+, Q8s+, Q9o+, J8s+, J9o+, 65s+, 86s+, 22+
SB: Same as CO
Its been suggested to me recently that its better to throw out some of the easily dominated hands like big unsuited cards (AJ KQ KJ) and add in smaller suited connectors & one gappers along with smaller suited A's when you're in EP. I think this is probably good advice.

and welcome to this thread Ditch Digger.
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02-02-2008 , 01:07 PM
You opening range should really depend on how loose the players who have position on you are.
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02-02-2008 , 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dipstikdave
villain is 20/17/5 over 360 hands. i think flop and turn are pretty standard (maybe bet more on flop?). how bad is the river?

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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MP: $128.60
CO: $148.90
BTN: $35.10
SB: $23.60
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $4, MP calls $4, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.00) 3 A J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, MP calls $10, SB folds

Turn: ($33.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $22, Hero calls $22

River: ($77.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $92.60 all in, Hero calls $64 all in
i'd bet the turn and shove the river. as played on the turn i'd probably CRAI, but I guess check/calling, check/calling isn't bad. Just don't fold.

Last edited by wiggs73; 02-02-2008 at 02:11 PM.
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02-02-2008 , 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by dipstikdave
i think the turn is standard because there aren't many hands he calls pf and flop that i beat.
except for spades and worse aces, which makes up the huge majority of his range


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the ones i am ahead of, he will likely fold.
spades, maybe, which is fine because he will also fold the river unless he hits. but he also calls somewhat often with spades because, well... people like to draw. giving him a free chance to hit is dumb. also this pot isn't huge so he likely won't feel overly obligated to start bluffing. AQ/AT/Awhatever/sometimes good jacks will hardly ever fold.

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i'd rather let him bet so i can get value from the bottom part of his range.
That's pretty straight except for that he isn't betting the bottom part of his range all that often, imo.
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02-03-2008 , 11:19 AM
Just a quick question...

Seems most of you guys are focusing on 6max in this thread. Are any of you guys playing full ring?
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02-03-2008 , 11:29 AM
Every now and then there is a full ring hand posted, and sometimes even a live full ring hand. But you're right, most of the active posters in this thread are playing 6-max although they might have full ring experience in the past.
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02-03-2008 , 11:52 AM
Okay I need to stop my sickest downswing ever (-25 BIs). I'm gonna post some hands that might seem simple but please stay with me.

Villain is a TAG. I figured he's floating many med PPs on that flop so I kept representing an Ace on the turn. Is this standard?

brute666 ($186.05)
WorzelG ($165.76)
Firetribe ($105.50)
FALCONBERG ($148.30)
xOLLI78x ($23.55)
Bigdonkey23 ($127.85)

brute666 posts (SB) $0.50
WorzelG posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Ks Qs
Firetribe raises to $3.50
fold, fold, fold, fold, call,

FLOP ($7.50) 9h 3d As
check,
Firetribe bets $5.50
WorzelG calls $5.50

TURN ($18.50) 9h 3d As Ad
check,
Firetribe bets $14
WorzelG calls $14

RIVER ($46.50) 9h 3d As Ad 6h
check, check,

Here villain is 69/12/2.5. I have a note that says "small donkbet on flop was medium pair". I figured that if I wanted to win this pot I should try to take it down on some other street than flop since his high VPIP might indicate that he'd call a raise. The turn K seemed like a perfect spot to raise. Wrong?

Vasyur ($130.35)
KingsXL ($198.70)
Sinchrofazotron ($99)
Firetribe ($100)
oowmaah ($99.35)

Vasyur posts (SB) $0.50
KingsXL posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe 9s Qs
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
fold, fold, call,

FLOP ($7.50) 6h 6d 8ds
KingsXL bets $3
Firetribe calls $3

TURN ($13.50) 6h 6d 8s Kc
KingsXL bets $6
Firetribe raises to $18



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02-03-2008 , 02:15 PM
I make my cbets $6 in a $7.5 since 6 looks soso much bigger than $5.5 imo. If you made it 6 on the flop and 15 on the turn you he'll fold more but the double barrel is fine.

The second hand looks alright. If you're calling the flop that means you think you can move him off a pair on a later street so the turn is standard. He's prolly not folding 99 or an 8 tho so you might need to bet the river too sometimes. However I generally don't like running multi-street plays against players this loose so a lot of times against players like this I'll just raise the flop and fold out all the random crap he's just stabbing with and give up if called.
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02-03-2008 , 02:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgunnip
I make my cbets $6 in a $7.5 since 6 looks soso much bigger than $5.5 imo. If you made it 6 on the flop and 15 on the turn you he'll fold more but the double barrel is fine.
I like to size my bets according to the flop texture and that flop is as dry as it gets.
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02-03-2008 , 02:55 PM
thats a terrible turn card for a double barrel. there are only 2 aces left in the deck now so why should he put you on one? Its a great spot to v-bet like K9, TT+ but a bad one to bluff.
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02-03-2008 , 02:56 PM
2nd hand raise bigger and its fine
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02-03-2008 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by futuredoc85
2nd hand raise bigger and its fine
Is por sized too big?
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02-03-2008 , 03:51 PM
Colors are cool. Villain is a (needless to say, a bad -> ) LAG with infinite river aggression over 80 hands.

nikaiire ($65.37)
3bet ($197.45)
jooonaz ($99.50)
1379793 ($97)
Firetribe ($100)

nikaiire posts (SB) $0.50
3bet posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe A Q
fold, fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
nikaiire raises to $6.50
fold, call,

I felt like I could call this 3bet even given the bad reverse implied odds of AQo

FLOP ($14) A T 8
nikaiire bets $4
Firetribe calls $4

The bet is small but I'd hate to get 3bet here. I decided to call and give him a change to bluff more.

TURN ($22) J
nikaiire bets $5
Firetribe calls $5

Okay now some draws are more likely but it's hard to put him to a hand. It's wa/slightly ahead/wb/whatever spot so I decide to control the pot.

RIVER ($32) 8
nikaiire bets $49.87
Firetribe?

Nice control, Karp. River agression is inf. My hand is under-represented. Decision time...

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02-03-2008 , 04:45 PM
Ditch,
Too tight I would open more SCs from EP and from LP open stuff like T9o any ace, and suited connector and one gapper.

Karp,
I agree with FDoc on the first two hands.

Hand 3 I would raise the flop or turn and vomit on the river.
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02-03-2008 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Pudge714
Karp,
Hand 3 I would raise the flop or turn and vomit on the river.
On my reasoning chapter... which consepts have I misunderstood?
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02-03-2008 , 09:00 PM
K -

What futuredoc and pudge said. What's the worst card in the deck to keep repping an Ace on the turn in that hand? Standard monkey is probably more likely to put you on an ace if you check the turn and bet the river anyway.

The hand with the big river bet, you might need more info than his river aggression. I can see this being a very easy call or very easy fold depending on whether I've seen him showdown a big hand or make such big bets before. Unfortunately aggression factor doesn't weight for bet sizing and he could have infinite river aggression by some combo of folding a lot and betting small.

Ok, in order not to cop out, given just the limited info you gave, I'd call that punk. Could be an easy fold though if I saw those 80 hands. (also, if I'm wrong here it's just posting bias)

Last edited by microbet; 02-03-2008 at 09:06 PM.
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02-06-2008 , 11:40 AM
6max NL100, 100xBB stacks
2 fold
CO raises to $4 (std TAG)
Button fold
Hero raises to $14 w/ JJ
BB fold
CO call

Flop Q84r
Hero bets $20
CO calls (he has fold to cbet% 80)

Turn 5 completes rainbow
hero checks
CO bets $45
Hero folds
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02-06-2008 , 01:50 PM
I'd prolly make the cbet $22 but c/f turn look fine
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02-06-2008 , 06:03 PM
No reads at all. This is villain's very first hand at this table which has just recently broke and has been 2-3 handed for about 4 hands. If for some reason he's been watching, I've been aggro last few hands.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
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Hero (SB): $216.05
BB: $100.00
BTN: $59.70

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with Q A
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BB raises to $14, Hero...
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02-06-2008 , 08:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
No reads at all. This is villain's very first hand at this table which has just recently broke and has been 2-3 handed for about 4 hands. If for some reason he's been watching, I've been aggro last few hands.

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Hero (SB): $216.05
BB: $100.00
BTN: $59.70

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with Q A
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BB raises to $14, Hero...
Fold ...you'll be out of position the entire hand..you'll have to hit the flop super hard to continue...and even if you are slightly ahead PF ..often times you'll be folding out worse hands and only getting called by better..
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02-06-2008 , 08:25 PM
Sorry I've been away awhile. I'm sure you all miss my awesomely crap-tastic advice.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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UTG: $142.10
MP: $96.50
CO: $108.70
BTN: $113.25
Hero (SB): $211.80
BB: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J J
UTG raises to $3, 3 folds, Hero raises to $13, 1 fold, UTG raises to $28, Hero calls $15

Flop: ($57.00) 7 9 T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $45, Hero folds

UTG 40/14/1.0, 0% 3-bet through 85 hands and I haven't noticed him do anything too silly.
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02-06-2008 , 09:17 PM
Mike, call. Waiting for you to post that you called and show what flopped. You're gonna have to check-raise a lot on the flop, but we'll see what comes.

Slim,

Pretty ugly. I ran some numbers on shoving and it could be pretty close depending on his ranges, but I think folding is likely to be a little better. Calling looks bad too me.
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02-06-2008 , 09:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
No reads at all. This is villain's very first hand at this table which has just recently broke and has been 2-3 handed for about 4 hands. If for some reason he's been watching, I've been aggro last few hands.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 3 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (SB): $216.05
BB: $100.00
BTN: $59.70

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with Q A
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, BB raises to $14, Hero...
I dislike folding 3-handed. Since I also kind of dislike auto-stacking preflop with AQs, that seems to leave 4-bet and fold to a push getting 2:1 or call and stack off one pair on the flop. (?)
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