This is a range I was thinking he might have after seeing his flop action. It might not be 100% accurate but I dont think its going to be significantly wider from a player like that when he makes that flop raise.

villain is 20/17/5 over 360 hands. i think flop and turn are pretty standard (maybe bet more on flop?). how bad is the river?

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MP: $128.60
CO: $148.90
BTN: $35.10
SB: $23.60
BB: $100.00
Hero (UTG): $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A K
Hero raises to $4, MP calls $4, 2 folds, SB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($13.00) 3 A J (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $10, MP calls $10, SB folds

Turn: ($33.00) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $22, Hero calls $22

River: ($77.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $92.60 all in, Hero calls $64 all in

Dave - in real time I probably turbo call, but when you think about it, there might not be many hands you beat that this guy would play that way other than maybe AQ. AK might be doing this too. It looks very much like a set or AJ. This is a tough spot.

You're right on the PF. But as it is I dont think that this hand would play that much different if Hero was holding say QJs (that missed the flop on the flush side) or maybe even AJ.

Why is turn standard? Is it standard? Not for me. I bet turn pretty much always. Sometimes fold to a turn raise, it depends... But I always bet.

Yeah I'm pretty much always better that turn too.

Hey, relatively new to 6-max cash, but trying to get a solid base. Villian is 18/14 over 250 hands, seems solid. Frankly, this didn't make me feel good at all, but what is he 4-betting preflop UTG that I like when we're 140 BB deep? If it means anything, I play 20/15 or so and 3-bet a fair amount, but mostly in button vs. blinds spots and such. Is it even worth calling the 4-bet preflop? Is this a 5-bet shove? Should I have stabbed at the flop? This whole hand just felt dirty.

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Hero ($204.75)
SB ($59)
BB ($54.90)
UTG ($140)
MP ($107.65)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A, K.
UTG raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $11, 2 folds, UTG raises to $34, Hero calls $23.

Flop: ($69.50) 9, 2, 6 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($69.50) 7 (2 players)
UTG bets $45, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $69.5

i think the turn is standard because there aren't many hands he calls pf and flop that i beat. the ones i am ahead of, he will likely fold. i'd rather let him bet so i can get value from the bottom part of his range.

There are plenty of hands that make flush draws that he is calling pf and flop with. He's also not going anywhere with AQ and probably even AT. The only hands he's calling pf with that have you crushed are AJ 33 and JJ. JJ 3bets a significant portion of the time so it can be discounted. I think it's a lot more likely he has AQ AT or a flush draw than any of the hands that have you beat.

Basically I think his range contains enough draws that I don't like giving a free card and also contains enough weaker holdings that call at least one more street.

unless he's been 4betting you previously, i'd say you're crushed most of the time.

I'm having a really hard time thinking about the hand because his play is so unorthodox for a standard tag I just can't come up with a range that makes sense. I mean, you said you have 4000 hands on this guy so its not like a limited sample.

With AJ I think calling the flop raise is a lot easier but I agree about QJ/KJ.

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UTG: $186.50
MP: $81.80
CO: $81.20
BTN: $156.15
Hero (SB): $106.45
BB: $127.50

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 7 7
3 folds, BTN raises to $3, Hero calls $2.50, BB calls $2

Flop: ($9.00) 9 7 T (3 players)
Hero bets $6, BB folds, BTN calls $6

Turn: ($21.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $15, BTN calls $15

River: ($51.00) J (2 players)
Hero...?


Not a lot of hands on villain but he's the target at this table. He's playing 50/18/1 and loose/passive postflop.

jbrochu -

If someone is a sucky calling station don't be afraid to bet more. Depends on exactly how this guy sucks, but against some guys I pot the flop and overbet the turn.

This isn't the greatest example because villain is a bit short and we got more money in on the flop and the turn, but it's something simular (as we say back in Indiana) from a hand I played last night.

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CO: $161.00
Hero (BTN): $504.35
SB: $195.00
BB: $400.00
UTG: $423.10

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K A
UTG calls $2, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 3 folds, CO calls $8

Flop: ($25.00) 8 7 A (2 players)
CO bets $12, Hero raises to $34, CO calls $22

Turn: ($93.00) T (2 players)
CO checks, Hero bets $144, CO calls $117 all in

River: ($327.00) 8 (2 players - 1 is all in)




As far as the river goes, that card obviously sucks for you. He's either calling you down with a T or something or with an 8. There aren't really many ways for him to bluff a missed draw, so I don't like check/call. You say he's passive postflop, so if you think you are ahead more than 1/2 the time and you are sure you can make the right decision if he raises, you should bet/fold. If you bet like $30, you'll have like $50 behind and the pot will be like $160 if he pushes.

Would you be confident that that was a good fold there against this guy?

If you think that you will be ahead more than 1/2 the time there, but might be putting yourself in very -EV position if he raises, then you still have to face a pretty bad decision if you check and he bets along with the lost value whenever it checks through.

I think I like bet/fold best of all if you really think he's passive post flop, although when he minraises I probably pay off in the real world.

It's not that you are ahead so much of the time here, but check folding is pretty lame on the river and check calling probably means you'll pay off $30 more every time he has a straight and just miss out on the $30 every time you have him beat.

Hero (BTN): $504.35


I find this very unlikely

Ok, this is into censored thread territory here, but this hand is from a little later on that table.


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BTN: $185.00
SB: $182.60
Hero (BB): $747.55
UTG: $195.05
MP: $72.00
CO: $401.85

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 4 K
1 fold, MP calls $2, CO calls $2, BTN raises to $10, 3 folds, CO calls $8

Flop: ($25.00) 3 9 J (2 players)
CO checks, BTN bets $8, CO folds

ok I started it and we shouldn't go into the [censored] thread mode here, or at least I shouldn't so I take it all back.

Too late John -

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Hero (SB): $105.95
BB: $124.75
UTG: $48.30
MP: $273.75
CO: $97.00
BTN: $102.15

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A A
UTG calls $1, MP raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BTN raises to $16, Hero licks his chops, hmmmm, how much should I raise these suckers? How about 42? (Hero types 42, pushed enter button, not before timing out)

kbd;adlnf';lkdfja'lknbdf'lkn'alknb d'lkn dab l n/l n

3 folds, MP calls $11.50

Flop: ($34.50) T A K (2 players)
MP checks, BTN checks

Turn: ($34.50) T (2 players)
MP bets $28, BTN calls $28 OMFG AIKJDF;LKJIB;DJ BVA;KSFJD

River: ($90.50) 3 (2 players)
MP bets $59, BTN calls $58.15 all in



Don't forget to push the TIME button when taking your time on a decision.

dip,
For sure bet the turn nobody folds fds. As played river is really close and read dependent, I probably fold since I expect a lot of people to check back draws on the turn.

Venetian,
I have no idea how what guys 4betting ranges are like in ssnl, so I don't really like commenting on the hand.

Jbrochu,
I would bet more on flop and turn even if river blanks or pairs the board you still have trouble getting stacks in. As played c/f the river the only thing you beat is someone who will turn like AT into a bluff. I don't mind c/rai the flop since you can c/c a lot of scary turns and yell BOARD PAIR ONE TIME.

I can see betting more on the turn and I probably should have but I'm a little surprised you and micro both suggest betting more on the flop. I wasn't the preflop aggressor so I donked it 2/3 pot hoping to get raised so I could shove.

Would it be normal to get played back at donking for full pot into 2 players?

sorry this got lost in microbets brag posts.

I would jack up the flop and turn bets based on the size of the flop. The flop bet is ok but 7-8 is better imo. On the turn I would pretty much pot it.

The river is tricky as he has a straight draw more than a flush draw but any bet is getting called so I'd c/c or c/f there with the c/f option being the most likely.

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What is the cash thread doing down here? I'm going to start needing this again next week.

Thanks for the bump. I've been slacking on my session reviews lately. Must. Find. Hands. To. Post. imo.

Here's a couple of hands where I called down some aggressive players.
How bad/good/standard?


This villain is 56/5 4.5af, by street --> 4/5/7
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BB: $582.45
UTG: $96.50
CO: $70.05
BTN: $98.50
Hero (SB): $104.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J 9
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.00) J T A (2 players)
Hero bets $5.50, BB calls $5.50

Turn: ($19.00) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $10, Hero calls $10

River: ($39.00) 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $25, Hero calls $25





No solid reads as of yet on this guy. But has aggro AF #s so far in 30 hands.
(Plus his sn is "plzfld2me" :P )

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MP: $128.45
CO: $130.35
BTN: $132.20
SB: $101.50
BB: $55.00
Hero (UTG): $222.10

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with J A
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 2 A T (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BTN raises to $20, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($48.50) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $25.20, Hero calls $25.20

River: ($98.90) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $38.50, Hero calls $38.50

hand 1 that guy isn't ideal to be sitting on your left, I've started switching tables lately as I find playing against them unprofitable when oop.

hand 1 I'd fold the river but who knows - I only do well vs these guys in position, otherwise I tend to spew into them and they throw my game off.

hand 2 I'd fold on the flop after the rr and I'd start 3 betting him out of the blinds a lot.