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01-25-2008 , 07:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
reraiser is bad...44/23/4 stackd off earlier with A9 pf for 30 bb


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SB: $92.85
Hero (BB): $192.25
UTG: $92.00
CO: $132.30
BTN: $100.65

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $4, CO raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, CO calls $16

Flop: ($52.50) 3 4 K (2 players)
Hero...
you should prob bet 28-30 pf, c/c flop to river. I doubt he has AA-KK, b/c he did not reraise you. So he likely has a pocket pair or AT+, so you're probably ahead of his range. He is aggressive so he'll bet a lot so c/c and can hopefully control the pot some...
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01-25-2008 , 08:20 PM
villain is 53/23/0.7 only 40 hands.


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Hero (CO): $117.10
BTN: $18.50
SB: $136.40
BB: $95.85
UTG: $107.15
MP: $118.35

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) J 4 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero raises to $20, UTG raises to $35, hero?
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01-25-2008 , 11:36 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
villain is 53/23/0.7 only 40 hands.


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Hero (CO): $117.10
BTN: $18.50
SB: $136.40
BB: $95.85
UTG: $107.15
MP: $118.35

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) J 4 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero raises to $20, UTG raises to $35, hero?
Guy is a moron, I'm stacking off expecting to see strong jacks and flush draws in addition to 2pair and sets.
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01-25-2008 , 11:45 PM
Early in the session, don't know anything about villain really except that he has been relatively quiet postflop and calling a lot preflop.

He has about 20 dollars left after his river bet. Call or shove?

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SB: $15.50
BB: $89.30
UTG: $47.90
Hero (MP): $100.00
CO: $171.20
BTN: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with T A
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $4, CO calls $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3, UTG calls $3

Flop: ($16.50) J 4 9 (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO checks

Turn: ($16.50) A (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $11, CO folds, BB folds, UTG calls $11

River: ($38.50) T (2 players)
UTG bets $12, Hero ?
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01-25-2008 , 11:51 PM
Cha,
66 hand I might fold pre, but as played flop is standard assuming you fold to a c/r since nobody ever takes that as a bluff and bluffs still have like 30% equity.

KQ hand call river and let btn overcall with stupid ****.

Dipstik,
I think I fold there he can have tons of two pairs and hands like QJ still have very good equity vs. you

Karp,
Raise the flop you have the nuts as played turn is standard and shove river.

pif,
With KK raise more preflop and on the flop.

I don't like the flop donk or river donk with TT. I suppose river could be good, but I never donk the flop so I don't really know.

MikeMcQ,
That QQ hand is kinda gross I think I just bet the flop and get it in, just because I don't think he will fold stuff like 99h or bare Ah etc.
Top two spot is gross as well, I think I call, but I have no idea wtf to do if button shoves if btn over calls I shove almost all blank turns except turns that fill me up. You want to let the btn overcall with stupid stuff like T7 with a club. I just saw you overbet the flop I really don't like it for a few reasons first it is really tough to balance, though that is sort of irrelevant, more importantly you don't want to be getting in 200bbs here on the flop. So make a normal sized bet so you control the pot a little bit more.

Dip,
In that second KK spot standard stack off I probably 4bet the flop and get in in he can have tons of top pair hands or draws.

Blackize,
With so little behind I shove and see what stupid stuff he will call with.

Last edited by Pudge714; 01-26-2008 at 12:02 AM.
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01-26-2008 , 12:35 AM
Dave - I just shove the KK. The pot is ~66 or so and there isnt much more than that left in villain's stack. He's probably going to call with stuff like AJ and various cc hands among other things. The hands in his range that beat you are probably outnumbered by the ones he calls with that you beat.
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01-26-2008 , 01:20 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
villain is 53/23/0.7 only 40 hands.


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Hero (CO): $117.10
BTN: $18.50
SB: $136.40
BB: $95.85
UTG: $107.15
MP: $118.35

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K K
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 3 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($11.50) J 4 2 (2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero raises to $20, UTG raises to $35, hero?
which variation of the fist pump dance around the room are you going to do?
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01-26-2008 , 03:20 AM
I am at a complete loss on this one:

To me his line looks super strong. After his flop raise should I have tried to go cheap and c/c the rest of the way?

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BTN: $92.10
SB: $51.50
BB: $51.30
UTG: $9.35
MP: $25.25
Hero (CO): $81.80

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 8 9 A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $8.50, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($21.25) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB raises to $40.80 all in, Hero folds
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01-26-2008 , 03:43 AM
i fold to that flop raise
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01-26-2008 , 05:27 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with K K
Shove.

Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
Hero raises to $5 A A
I would raise flop. Your line is OK but you let him have a cheap turn card and I think raising the turn looks stronger.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pifhluk
CO: $31.25
Hero (BTN): $32.20
SB: $24.75
BB: $15.95
UTG: $10.45

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($4.00) T 4 2 (3 players)
SB bets $2.80, CO folds, Hero raises to $5.75, SB calls $2.95

Turn: ($15.50) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $9.70, Hero raises to $19.40, SB calls $8.05 all in

River: ($51.00) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)
The pf raise is way too small, you're giving everyone massive implied odds to setmine you. I would make it $2.50 or $3. When you have a big pair, the correct reraise size is more dependent on stack sizes than the size of the initial raise.

Quote:
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.35) 2 K K (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($11.35) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN calls $4
This looks fine, except you should bet more on the river.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1
Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $4, CO raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, CO calls $16

Flop: ($52.50) 3 4 K (2 players)
Hero...
I don't really like the reraise this deep, I would flat call the $8. As played I check planning to CRAI.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
PF raise size is too small. Rest looks OK.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K K
Shove I guess. Kind of an annoying hand but you don't lose to that much, and with the guy raising like 25% of hands surely he raises any pair?

Quote:
Originally Posted by blackize
Pre Flop: Hero is MP with T A
Definitely call.
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01-26-2008 , 05:30 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dipstikdave
i fold to that flop raise
Agreed very standard fold.
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01-26-2008 , 06:29 AM
Quote:
Blackize,
With so little behind I shove and see what stupid stuff he will call with.
I have to disagree. I hadn't seen him get out of line postflop yet, and an obvious draw just hit. I think against a passive-ish player, he's not really leading the river with Ax hands and I doubt he is leading out with Jx hands either. So that leaves missed spades and improved hands and a slowplayed J9 or something. JT and T9 just improved, but I'm not sure if he calls the turn with them. These things considered, I think his range can be weighted heavier to missed spades and made hearts. His spades aren't calling, and his hearts obviously beat me.

So I don't think this player type plays Ax like this often, I don't have reason to believe he's a habitual bluffer, and there aren't many worse hands he can pay me off with if I shove.
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01-26-2008 , 04:06 PM
looking at that a7 hand again it was definately spewy.

What should I do here? no stats

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CO: $10.55
BTN: $49.25
SB: $24.70
Hero (BB): $41.00
UTG: $59.35
MP: $22.45

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $2, 4 folds, Hero raises to $5, UTG raises to $11, Hero calls $6

Flop: ($22.25) 9 7 K (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $17.50, Hero folds
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01-26-2008 , 05:05 PM
villain is a reg TAG, a bit on the aggressive side, overall AF 5.0 over 4k hands. capaple of big bluffs. has an ego thing.



akulafish ($121)
GusiLebedi ($100)
therealnicoco ($99)
jimithiness ($284.59)
BroddarN ($105.20)
Firetribe ($98.50)

akulafish posts (SB) $0.50
GusiLebedi posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Js Td
call, call, fold,
Firetribe raises to $6
fold, fold, call, fold,

(so i raise over two limpers, villain calls. never seen villain limp-call before)

FLOP ($14.50) 3d Jc 8c
check,
Firetribe bets $11
therealnicoco raises to $26
Firetribe?
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01-26-2008 , 05:30 PM
I dont think you're in very good shape vs his range. Even though this could be a bluff, I dont think it is a bluff all that frequently. If you call, I dont know what trun cards you want to see. If you raise I think he folds worse hands and calls with most better hands.

This seems like a fold.
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01-26-2008 , 08:39 PM
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CO: $303.90
BTN: $126.55
SB: $209.25
Hero (BB): $101.50
UTG: $99.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9 9
2 folds, BTN raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) K 3 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($16.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $12, Hero calls $12

River: ($40.50) 7 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $39, Hero folds


Villain is fgators. I've never played against him and have only been on this table for two orbits so I chose not to 3-bet preflop this time. The word is he plays very straightforward ABC poker. Given that, is calling the 2nd barrel just spew?
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01-26-2008 , 09:40 PM
pif,
Again your three bet is much too small. I would make it 7 there as played the rest of the hand is fine.

In that a7 hand fold to the flop raise without some read he will bluff a lot. As played check the turn. The turn bet is a much bigger mistake than the flop call imo. If he c/rs the flop he will either check fold the turn with worse or c/r/c with better.

Karp,
With your read call and get it in on some turns what percent does he raise pre? Because it seems like he can only have 33 as a better hand.

Jbrochu,
Fold the turn vs. fgators, definitely fold the river. Note my read on him is based on his 2p2 posting so people who played with me could be more accurate.

Blackize,
He likes to call a lot and is making sort of a blocking bet so I think he has a worse hand a fair amount for not much more I don't think he will fold two pair or even like A8.
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01-27-2008 , 12:25 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pifhluk
I am at a complete loss on this one:

To me his line looks super strong. After his flop raise should I have tried to go cheap and c/c the rest of the way?

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BTN: $92.10
SB: $51.50
BB: $51.30
UTG: $9.35
MP: $25.25
Hero (CO): $81.80

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 8 9 A (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, BB raises to $8.50, Hero calls $5.50

Turn: ($21.25) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $14, BB raises to $40.80 all in, Hero folds

As pudge said, definetely check behind on the turn.

I don't mind your flop bet on this board, but if the board was just a little different -- something like A,9,4 rainbow -- then I actually prefer checking behind on the flop. You could then bet the turn if its checked to you again, or call a small bet and re-evaluate on the river.

The problem with betting the Ace with a little kicker on a fairly dry board is you're most likely only going to get action from a better hand. If you check behind you can control the pot, and a weaker hand is often more apt to call a turn or river bet. Plus you might induce a bluff.
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01-27-2008 , 12:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n
villain is a reg TAG, a bit on the aggressive side, overall AF 5.0 over 4k hands. capaple of big bluffs. has an ego thing.



akulafish ($121)
GusiLebedi ($100)
therealnicoco ($99)
jimithiness ($284.59)
BroddarN ($105.20)
Firetribe ($98.50)

akulafish posts (SB) $0.50
GusiLebedi posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Js Td
call, call, fold,
Firetribe raises to $6
fold, fold, call, fold,

(so i raise over two limpers, villain calls. never seen villain limp-call before)

FLOP ($14.50) 3d Jc 8c
check,
Firetribe bets $11
therealnicoco raises to $26
Firetribe?

It seems very strange that a regular aggressive TAG player would ever open-limp/call anything in 6-max unless he was expecting an opponent to reopen the betting preflop. It's hard to credit him with a tricky overpair here because would he then flat call your isolation raise and give the over-limper great odds to come in as well?

I think pudge is right, it's probably either 33 or a draw. Your equity against his range is going to go way up on a blank turn so I think I would call and see what happens on the turn.

Folding just seems a little too weak in position but its probably ok as well since you're never going to be way ahead, and it seems this guy isn't going to be afraid to apply some pressure.
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01-27-2008 , 03:48 AM
Board: Jc 8c 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.359% 34.09% 06.27% 19238 3536.50 { JsTd }
Hand 1: 59.641% 53.37% 06.27% 30119 3536.50 { TT-88, 33, AJs, KJs, QJs, JTs, T9s, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo, T9o }
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01-27-2008 , 10:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pudge714
pif,
Again your three bet is much too small. I would make it 7 there as played the rest of the hand is fine.
Is there a general rule I can use for 3bet raises, like 2 or 2.5x the pot? Also if there were no overcards on that flop do you lead out or let villain bet and if he bets big fold?
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01-27-2008 , 11:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pifhluk
Is there a general rule I can use for 3bet raises, like 2 or 2.5x the pot? Also if there were no overcards on that flop do you lead out or let villain bet and if he bets big fold?


If there are no cold callers and the 2-bet is a standard size open I start at 3X the open and then tweak it up a little depending on circumstances like position, reads, and effective stacks.

eg - nl100 with 100bb effective stacks:

Villain opens to $4 I would often 3-bet to $12 or a little more depending on position and any limpers that came in before the raise.

With one cold caller I start around 4X the open so in this case around $16.
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01-27-2008 , 11:12 AM
pif,
He making it $6.75 would be making it pot. He makes it 2 you call so there is 4.75 in the pot so you raise $4.75 on top of $2 = $6,75
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01-27-2008 , 11:33 AM
He's actually the big blind so raising pot would be $6.25 in this case.

I obviously know you accidently overlooked that but wanted to clarify for pif in case he's wondering how you came up with it.

Last edited by Jbrochu; 01-27-2008 at 11:43 AM.
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01-27-2008 , 11:42 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cha59
Board: Jc 8c 3d
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 40.359% 34.09% 06.27% 19238 3536.50 { JsTd }
Hand 1: 59.641% 53.37% 06.27% 30119 3536.50 { TT-88, 33, AJs, KJs, QJs, JTs, T9s, AJo, KJo, QJo, JTo, T9o }
I think this range overly weights the hands that beat us and don't have enough of the draws represented. (i.e. - If he's limp/calling T9o he can certainly have a lot of the smaller suited connectors and suited one-gappers in his range.)

We're probably going to be behind his range on the flop anyway but our equity will go up a lot against his range on many turns.

Now that I've taken another look at the entire hand though I really don't like the preflop raise here over a limper we know is supposed to be an aggressive solid player. (Especially when we have 4000 hands on him.) I think I would just check my option and see a flop.
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