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Old 01-22-2008, 11:25 PM   #551
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Villain is ~30/25/2.5 in ~100 hands or so. He seems to know position is good and 3 bets a ton. I think he has either called or 3 bet ~ 75% of the times I opened so far (more 3 bets than calls). It is possible he sees me as weak at this point because I've folded to several 3 bets. I haven't seen anything retarded post flop from him.

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BB: $138.00
UTG: $117.35
MP: $96.00
Hero (CO): $170.75
BTN: $107.90

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 6 6
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, SB raises to $12.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($26.00) 4 4 2 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB raises to $55, Hero ?
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Old 01-22-2008, 11:30 PM   #552
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

This table has been pretty wild with some big pots.

Btn is the villain from the previous hand I posted.

UTG is 20/14/2.23 in ~2,200 hands and is a winning player in those hands.

Comments on all streets welcome.

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SB: $122.25
BB: $61.40
UTG: $100.00
Hero (MP): $98.50
CO: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with Q K
UTG calls $1, Hero raises to $5, 1 fold, BTN calls $5, 2 folds, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($16.50) 6 9 Q (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $10, BTN calls $10, UTG calls $10

Turn: ($46.50) 7 (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($46.50) Q (3 players)
UTG bets $32, Hero ?
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Old 01-23-2008, 12:27 AM   #553
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Cha,

66 hand: kinda strange line from him. I don't get the c/r line, unless it's something like 77 that he just wants to end right here. However, I can't really see him c/r as a bluff in a 3-bet pot so I just let it go.

KQ hand: I think I just call. you could try a min raise or something and hope he calls light, but this is a pretty ugly board even for trips. (my guess: JTcc)
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Old 01-23-2008, 06:41 AM   #554
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

cha,

i think im with devin on both hands...the 1st one even seems like against this player you could tangle enough with him that you can stick this in profitably but I don't think I'd do it without a bit more post flop history, still not a great spot so i think i let it go in-game.

hand 2 i call the river
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Old 01-23-2008, 08:56 AM   #555
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Pre-Flop: 7 7 dealt to Hero (SB)
Wow this hand sucks. It's annoying because it's really hard to put him on a hand. Good draws should have stacked off on the flop and bad draws shouldn't raise in the first place and probably wouldn't in the hands of this player. I would call because I don't really know what he has and the pot is gigantic. I will always have outs here, so I don't have to be good that often for it to be a call.

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Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 4 4
Call looks good. The isolation reraise doesn't gain much and will lose big if button wakes up with a hand, which he still might. Fold is OK too, but there should be enough equity to call.

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Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 6 6
Calling threebets out of position is something I avoid. I counter excessive threebetting by fourbetting light. Having picked the line of leading out, you now should fold - if it wasn't information you were after, then you should be checkraising.

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Pre Flop: Hero is MP with Q K
This seems like a pretty easy call. I don't know what UTG has, but it is probably not a set because that's a pretty crazy postflop line to run with a set. My guess is that he has QJ suited, or he might have JT. In any case he's going to have to show me a better hand. Raising is out of the question as he will probably fold even QJ as you show great strength raising from that position.
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Old 01-23-2008, 09:08 AM   #556
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Here are a few hands from the past couple of days that I noted while playing.
Hand 1: Standard for me is to check this behind on the turn, if I'm betting then I am definitely folding to a c/r.

Hand 2: Tough without much history. I think call and shove turn are both fine. While FE might be limited, versus loose callers there's a chance of picking up a stack of value versus hands like A9ss. Call/call river might do that too but I would rather get whatever FE is available.

Hand 3: I would fold pf and check turn, but your line looks OK other than the pf call which I don't like much.

Hand 4: Personally I like to call down light when my opponent might have a hand I can beat, which I don't think is now.

Hand 5: ABANDON SHIP. This hand is going nowhere.
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Old 01-24-2008, 03:31 AM   #557
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

villain is 18/13/3 267 hands.

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SB: $100.00
BB: $95.50
Hero (UTG): $104.20

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with K K
Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) T 9 Q (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BTN raises to $22, Hero?
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Old 01-24-2008, 11:54 AM   #558
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Dave as long as you think JJ, KQ, and AQ are in his range along with the sets I would just shove.

Edit: I forgot to add some of the pairs with a draw he might have flatted with position preflop that I had in my pokerstove range - like JT and QJ.

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Old 01-24-2008, 12:06 PM   #559
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

There was a site that created a graph for evey site out there which showed the development of VPIP/table over past weeks/months at given stakes. I just cant find that site. Anyone?
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:08 PM   #560
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

I've never seen that but if you find it can you either link it here or send me an IM?
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:13 PM   #561
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Villain is 48/4/2.5 over 40 hands or so. No real reads yet.

6max NLHE, 6 players
effective stacks 100xBBs
UTG limps
2 fold
Hero raises to $5 A A
blinds fold
UTG calls

Flop: K 4 2
UTG bets $4
Hero calls

Turn: 5
UTG bets $6
Hero raises to $32

UTG calls

River: T
UTG checks
Hero pushes ~pot

Standard? No?
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Old 01-24-2008, 12:24 PM   #562
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Looks good to me. I think he's calling with KQo and AKo and if he luckboxed into AKcc or KQcc or a flopped set so be it.
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Old 01-24-2008, 03:45 PM   #563
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Don't Have PAHUD working yet so no reads. Is this bad?

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CO: $31.25
Hero (BTN): $32.20
SB: $24.75
BB: $15.95
UTG: $10.45

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K K
1 fold, CO raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $1.25, SB calls $1.15, 1 fold, CO calls $0.75

Flop: ($4.00) T 4 2 (3 players)
SB bets $2.80, CO folds, Hero raises to $5.75, SB calls $2.95

Turn: ($15.50) 9 (2 players)
SB bets $9.70, Hero raises to $19.40, SB calls $8.05 all in

River: ($51.00) 4 (2 players - 1 is all in)

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Should I be betting the turn on this one, if so how much? and how much on river? I think I should have raised or led on the turn and bet more on river. His line seems pretty weak imo.

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MP: $23.55
Hero (CO): $24.65
BTN: $30.65
SB: $24.75
BB: $9.50
UTG: $11.55

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T T
2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BTN raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($4.35) 2 K K (2 players)
Hero bets $2.50, BTN calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.35) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $1, Hero calls $1

River: ($11.35) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BTN calls $4

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Old 01-24-2008, 04:33 PM   #564
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I'm going to start reviewing opponents in pokertracker. Things I think would be good to look at are,
-hand ranges by position
-3betting ranges, cold-calling ranges
-what they are cbetting, what they aren't
-what they c/r with

any other ideas/things that I should specifically look for?

I just came across this article and thought it sounded like a good idea.

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/...ork-Assignment
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Old 01-24-2008, 05:26 PM   #565
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

pif,

what's your reasoning behind the flop play and bet sizing in both of those hands.
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Old 01-24-2008, 05:28 PM   #566
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Jb, yea I read that article and sorta did that fora couple of opponents that I seem to run into a lot but at ssnl there are really too many people I think to make it worthwhile. Especially since I don't expect to be playing a certain limit for too long.

This post by sh58 about profiling opponents with HUD is pretty good,
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&highlight=pah
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Old 01-24-2008, 06:49 PM   #567
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pif,

what's your reasoning behind the flop play and bet sizing in both of those hands.
Kings: the pot was $7.30 when it got to me so I figured 5.75 was a good amount. Should it be more? SB showed alot of strength with his 9.70 bet but I just could not fold KK and I figured if he bet 9.70 he would call an all in raise (too much sng mentality there?)

TT: I had been raising alot so Im sure villain put me on a wide range from CO. The flop looked pretty good for tens so I bet it. I am not sure why I checked the turn I think I should have bet that too and then bet more on the river.

Coach me?
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Old 01-24-2008, 07:49 PM   #568
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Well in the KK hand I would either call the flop or raise to like 8 or something to get more value from hands that he'll call one more bet with but might c/c on the turn like low/med PPs or 4x or 2x. Also if he has a T and an overcard comes it might slow him down so basically minraising isn't getting value from the crap hands that are in his range.

On the turn he obviously likes his hand, could be a set or TPGK who knows really but you can't fold an overpair on this board to you might as well get it all in. I think at 25nl never folding an overpair ever is only a small mistake.

In the TT hand if you put villain a wide range why bet and get him off the hands that you're ahead of?
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:05 AM   #569
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

pif,

KK I think was pretty much standard, except I would have raised more PF and as played, raised more on the flop.

TT was very strange. Your leading flop is interesting to me as it takes away his betting impetus, but you could easily get blown off the hand by a lot of players. I just don't see c/c as a much better line as you'll get double barreled a lot and have the same result. AS played once he calls the flop I think the rest of your line is fine as I'd be looking for a cheap showdown at that point and now can value bet river after evaluating the action. Anybody else comment on this one?
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:08 AM   #570
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

reraiser is bad...44/23/4 stackd off earlier with A9 pf for 30 bb


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SB: $92.85
Hero (BB): $192.25
UTG: $92.00
CO: $132.30
BTN: $100.65

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $4, CO raises to $8, 2 folds, Hero raises to $24, 1 fold, CO calls $16

Flop: ($52.50) 3 4 K (2 players)
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Old 01-25-2008, 02:27 AM   #571
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

SB is 40/5/2, Button is 35/20
Thoughts on my flop overbet?

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BB: $141.55
Hero (CO): $181.50

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 9 J
Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) 7 J 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, BTN calls $15, SB raises to $67.65 all in, Hero raises to $178 all in,
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Old 01-25-2008, 03:04 AM   #572
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

mike, QQ hand i'd probly c/r since he's pretty aggro, he may fold weaker hands to a bet, and you have the 2nd nut flush draw so a free card won't be too bad for you. if you whiff on the flop then you were'nt gonna make any more off this hand anyway.

J9 hand looks fine to me.
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Old 01-25-2008, 03:12 AM   #573
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

villain is 17/13/ 2.8 over 800 hands. how's my line?

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CO: $374.70
Hero (BTN): $101.55
SB: $110.05
BB: $170.60
UTG: $266.40
MP: $33.55

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q Q
2 folds, CO raises to $2, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, BB calls $6, 1 fold

Flop: ($16.50) 3 T 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10

Turn: ($36.50) J (2 players)
BB bets $20, Hero calls $20

River: ($76.50) 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
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dip, I'd make the cbet larger but I think turn/river are ok.
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Old 01-25-2008, 07:24 PM   #575
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SB is 40/5/2, Button is 35/20
Thoughts on my flop overbet?

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BTN: $167.05
SB: $71.15
BB: $141.55
Hero (CO): $181.50

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 9 J
Hero raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($11.50) 7 J 9 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $15, BTN calls $15, SB raises to $67.65 all in, Hero raises to $178 all in,
With 3 flush cards on flop, and sb crai, I think you're toast against his made, but probably weak sc type flush. Probably best to fold.
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