Karp - preflop, I dont see much value in 3 betting a medium suited connector oop against a guy who is probably going to call me. Unless he folds to almost all c-bets, I just don't see the value in playing a drawing hand that is difficult to play post flop oop.

Also, is my range for villain in Karp's hand ok? I've been using pokerstove more lately and am working on putting in realistic ranges.

Testoteroine?

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BB: $111.60
Hero (CO): $101.35
BTN: $146.60
SB: $181.90

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with J Q
Hero raises to $4, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 8 6 J (2 players)
Hero bets $7, BTN raises to $21, Hero calls $14

Turn: ($51.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($51.50) A


Villian is LAG but mostly when he's the first one in preflop. He's playing around 33/28 but it could just be because the only other active player at the table is me so he's getting away with raising a lot preflop. I haven't seen him get out of line postflop other than c-betting most flops. AF about 3.

He has called my late position raises from the blinds twice so far and the first hand my c-bet took the pot down on the flop and the second hand we checked down on a board of 99Q 9 2 no flush where he had KJ and I won the pot with ace high. This is over maybe 80 hands so we're not mixing it up with each other much.

This is the first hand he has position on me. I almost dumped it to his flop raise but I felt like too many draws were in his range.

Comments on all streets appreciated, especially the flop and what to do on the river. I think missed draws, some pairs I beat, a better J, maybe a worse J like JT, and missed draws with the ace are all in his range.

John I'm not sure of what I think of the flop, but once its gotten this far I check call the river if he doesn't make an abnormally large bet and expect to be ahead about half the time.

i play it the same i think. i'd c/c the river since it looks like he missed his draw and the ace is a good card for him to bluff with. i know he shows up with Ax clubs here sometimes, but he'll bet with air or weaker pairs a lot too.

Villain is 12/10 in ~50 hands. No other reads.

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UTG: $107.75
CO: $266.60
BTN: $43.60
Hero (SB): $132.35
BB: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K K
2 folds, BTN calls $1, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $4, BTN calls $4

Flop: ($15.00) 9 2 T (3 players)
Hero bets $12, BB raises to $37 , BTN folds, Hero

without a better read, i go broke there cha.

History:

Villain been 3 bet defending blinds before. The first two times I was SB and I folded. The 3rd time he 3 bet was from the button when I raised 5x over a limper. I had AK & shoved, he folded. I had tightened up considerably after he 3 bet twice and had folded a ton of hands prior to shoving the AK - so i should have had some respect if he was paying attention. I think he was paying attention.

This is the first time he flat called a steal from me.

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CO: $171.15
BTN: $312.65
Hero (SB): $143.80
BB: $100.00
UTG: $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 4 6
3 folds, Hero raises to $3, BB calls $2

Flop: ($6.00) K Q 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $4, BB calls $4

Turn: ($14.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $10<---this is what I'm most unsure about, BB calls $10

River: ($34.00) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $24, BB raises to $83 all in, Hero

turn is god awful. why are you betting why why why why/... check/r as a bluff or just chk fold

cha...

In my experience a lot of multitabling guys that 3-bet you don't adjust that well the flow of the game. A lot of them are kinda on autopilot, and thus are very exploitable. That is just more of a general comment than a statement on the play of this hand.

Now, for the actual hand. I'd fold preflop! Not interesting advice or anything, but you have a BB that is likely to play back at you in some way shape or form. He's going to call or 3-bet a lot to defend his big blind in position here, so I just fold even a SC here. Sometimes you just have to accept that you have a difficult opponent to your left, and play like a pussy.

Now as played. Betting this flop is no different than if you missed the flop completely obv. I often would not bet this flop. A 3-bet happy opponent that does not 3-bet here usually has a hand that is not air, but not a monster. Hanks like this are like AT, KJ, KQ, etc. So, imo, this is not a good flop to c-bet based on this type of hand range. So, I c/f the flop. But, I can't really blame you for betting cause he does have hands like 22-77 as well.

On to the turn. Well, I think it's just a c/f. You aren't going to be able to fold out much that called on the flop. You aren't deep enough to setup a 3rd barrel if another spade hits the river. There is just really not much good that come of this hand now.

River: you hit 2pr....get it in.

I love everything you said there, except the river. Do you really think he's bluff-shoving the river after Cha went 4 streets of aggression? I just don't see Cha betting the river without a big hand or a bluff, and the bluffs won't be there any where near as often as a big hand. Vs a good player (I'm assuming villain sees Cha as a good player), I wouldn't even expect AK to bet the river. Given the action and the board, I even think bottom-2 is a thin value bet...I'd still bet it, but think it's thin. I think river is a fold.

Yeah I think it is really really rare to find a spot where a villain bluff raises the river at .5/1 and even more rare that he is value raising a one pair hand esp after Cha bets all 3 streets.

I'm glad you loved everything up to the point of the river cause I was drunk when I wrote and obv even more drunk now. Ur right, I double he's bluff shoving. but you have 2pr!

I can't fold here. He'll have QQ/JJ often enough and maybe AT/QJ sometimes. I just push.

Me too. Is this el standardo?

50 hands just isn't enough for me to give him credit for only having a set here.

This is the key - QQ and JJ are in his range, and we crush those hands enough to provide the equity we need to stick with the hand. Don't fold.

The 64 hand, I agree with most everything Devin said (except I think flop bet is ok). The river is strange enough that I wouldn't fold there in a BvB battle with someone who appears to be a thinking player.

FYI - I've been checking out DeucesCracked since I read Kleath's review in the instructional site thread. One of their free sample videos is called "Memoirs of a Limidonk: You and Your HUD."

It's made for people transitioning from limit to nl but I think it's excellent even if you have nl experience especially if you're not totally proficient with using HUD stats.

I would recommend that new 6-max cash players especially download this video and take notes on each stat he reviews. I didn't take notes the first time but I'm going to watch it again and take notes when I get a chance.

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BTN: $109.45
SB: $114.05
BB: $196.65
UTG: $272.65
MP: $124.85
Hero (CO): $96.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A Q
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 5 Q 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $5.50, BB calls $5.50

Turn: ($18.50) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks <---How bad or OK?

River: ($18.50) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero...

As played should I check, Bet/F, or Bet/Call? and why?

With no read, the turn check gives up value. One obvious draw picked up a pair on the turn, so 78 is calling a bet. I expect unknowns to c/c again if they have tp, and unknowns are more likely to provide 3 streets of value. So, I would bet the turn.

I would bet the river, and fold to a raise without a read. I don't expect uknowns to get out of line here with a river c/r bluff, even though I find it hard to believe KQ checks that river after the turn action.

mike, turn is a mandatory bet for value, but probably a b/f readless. river i would bet to get value from mid pairs and worse queens, and you're probably going to get paid since your line looks bluffy. villain would have to be some kind of passive to check 2 pair or better on the river.

Villain is 60/16/3.2 over 100 hands. All datamined. I was pretty lost on the turn so I pushed. How'd you play the turn?

Firetribe ($118.75)
MATTIAS35 ($81.35)
GusiLebedi ($152.75)
loveseasun ($194.75)
yavutze ($118.52)

Firetribe posts (SB) $0.50
MATTIAS35 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe A J
fold, fold,
yavutze raises to $3
Firetribe call, fold,

FLOP ($7) 8 7 T
Firetribe check,
yavutze bets $10
Firetribe raises to $37
yavutze calls $27

TURN ($81) 8
Firetribe bets $78.75

OK, thanks guys. Here was my thought process at the time:

Turn was very non-standard for me as I would almost always bet there in the past and it would be for value "because I'm sure I have the best hand". But I wouldn't expect to get 3 streets of value as wuwei suggests, and that was my thought. I figured only a Q or somn like 78 is calling so I knew I was giving up value and wasn't worried about many river cards. A check on the turn and a bet on the river (or call because I induced his bet) I thought would get me value as well as keep the pot small.

On the river I bet $12, and he raised to $27.

Betting the river after checking the turn does look weak, and this would be good opportunity for him to bluff raise, wouldn't he lead a K or a stronger hand or bluff? But his raise is so small, does he really expect me to fold? So ghey.

Karp,

I would reraise PF 100% of the time. As played I think it's good, maybe not quite such a big raise on the flop, your hand is really strong and I think most c-raises will get the job done, but you're raise does set up a pot-size shove on the turn, so maybe your raise size is good. I'd like to hear other's comment of course.