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What is your reasoning on the turn donk-bet? I've never felt the rythm of the classic donk bet so I'm having hard time finding the right spots.

Villain and I have a little history. A few hands ago I cr his utg open from bb on an 863 2 tone board. He jammed and I folded. He's a standard taggish type and I have a pretty lagro image. Thoughts on riv jam?

€0.5/€1 No Limit Holdem
4 players
Converted at weaktight.com

Stacks:
CO davso (€121.12)
BTN Hero (€333.13)
SB piet1985 (€108.06)
BB pubus (€66.80)

Pre-flop: (€1.50, 4 players) Hero is BTN J K
1 fold, Hero raises to €3, piet1985 raises to €10.50, 1 fold, Hero calls €7.50

Flop: 4 5 T (€22, 2 players)
piet1985 bets €13, Hero calls €13

Turn: 7 (€48, 2 players)
piet1985 checks, Hero checks

River: T (€48, 2 players)
piet1985 bets €24, Hero goes all-in €309.63

i really don't like it. you're not representing anything here. you can find lots of better places to bluff with your whole stack. your line fits so very few hands villain might be calling a lot wider than anticipated. if villain has air here at least he will fold.

Dunno looks to me that after that turn check Villain rarerly has anything and thus has to fold even though Hero's bet looks to be FOS.

The thing I'm questioning in bones' hand is what hands villain decides to lead the river with. I think if villain had something with showdown value (greater than ace high) he would c/c rather than lead given Bones' lag image.

So I guess in my mind even though Bones isn't representing much neither is villain and I think villain has AK/AQ enough to make this jam +ev.

At the time I felt like with my turn check, it looked like I was sd bound and I do have a decent amount of Ts in my range.

Also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToOoJ5oAqbc

If you call the 3 bet it's with the assumption he's 3 betting semi light. Since that's the case, you need to raise the flop and get it in or if he's the type of player to double barrel then call flop with the intention of shoving over any of his raises or bet/call if he check turn. I'd almost always just raise flop and get it in because your hand is huge.

Ha ha - I remember watching that hand on TV.


I phrased this poorly. I was basically trying to say your range was hugely polarized. I also agree you have a lot more T's in your range than villain.

i didn't even read bones' hand earlier. not raise/calling in on this flop is a CRIME. GO TO JAIL

I dont get it.

It's not my standard, but I disagree that not jamming this flop is criminal or whatever. I feel like there's a bunch of value in being able to win pots on later streets especially against someone who is already likely to be suspicious of my flop action.

Firing the river is fine and I would probably bet a little more on the turn to set up stack sizes better for a river shove.

But you didn't bet the turn. If you're going to play it like this at least bet the turn. I also completely disagree with these stacks in a 3 bet pot. You just don't have the leverage you would have otherwise to justify something other than just raising the flop and getting him off better air when you have great equity. I also hate the river shove. Ace high isn't folding. Draws missed, you're repping essentially only Tx, etc.

Egos aside it's time for Karp to drop down from NL200 all the way to NL50.


Hand #1

Villain is 37/7 after 100 hands. Aggression street by street is 1/2/inf. WTSD is 36% so I wanted to shoot bets that are slightly too small because I'm sure he'll showdown with lot of crap.

Party Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $55.67
Hero (CO): $158.90
BTN: $53.85
SB: $54.80
BB: $79.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with Q K
1 fold, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.25) 2 Q 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3.00, BB calls $3

Turn: ($10.25) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6.25, BB calls $6.25

River: ($22.75) J (2 players)
BB bets $15.00, Hero?


Hand #2

Villais is 25/12 and 3/2/2 over 5k hands. No idea on his turn donk bet range. I feel like I dont want to just call because a fourth club would most def kill me or my value.

Party Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (CO): $47.75
BTN: $79.75
SB: $53.95
BB: $50.60
UTG: $57.75
MP: $47.50

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is CO with A A
1 fold, MP calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.50, 1 fold, SB calls $2.25, 1 fold, MP calls $2

Flop: ($8.00) 6 2 8 (3 players)
SB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $7.00, SB folds, MP calls $7

Turn: ($22.00) J (2 players)
MP bets $11.00, Hero raises to $38.25, MP calls $27 all in

So I should be jamming 99 here?

#1 call imo. His numbers obviously suggest he'll do this with a wide range. I dont think youre going to get called by enough hands that you beat if you raise.

#2 looks good to me for the reasons you stated. There isnt enough left in the stacks to do anything else unless you want to fold now, which is probably pretty bad.

bones' hand,

checking the turn and overshoving the river reps a bluff, thats it imo. The only hand you get to fold that 3bet pf assuming hes a tag/reg type is like a missed sc or AJ/Q/K. However, his bet sizing reps fear on all streets. The only thing to be concerned about is if he has JJ or something and calls out of confusion.

Also, raise the flop to like ~41.93 euros imo.

That would be a little thin. He's probably not 3 betting a lot of pairs smaller than nines. He also definitely can have some tens in his range with this line so even if he calls with stuff like AK, AQ a shove isn't great.

Hey guys,

Full Tilt Poker, $0.10/$0.25 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

UTG: $41.50
Hero (CO): $25
BTN: $25.95
SB: $30.80
BB: $25.05

Pre-Flop: Q A Q A dealt to Hero (CO)
UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.85, 2 folds, BB calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.80) T Q 9 (2 Players)
BB bets $2, Hero ???

BB is 28/16/3 over 120 hands. I usually raise donkbets on most flops (especially when I hit), but this flop is really coordinated. I feel that if i get it in here i'm flipping most of the time, drawing almost dead or a 70-30 favorite.

What would you do in these situations:
1. Hero calls $2

Turn: ($5.80) 7 (2 Players)
BB bets $6, Hero ???

2. Hero raises to $7.50, BB calls $5.50

Turn: ($16.80) 7 (2 Players)
BB bets $17, Hero ???

Hmm, I wrote out a reply to this as a PLO hand.

can't edit it -.- awesome. last time i used leggopoker...

.10/.25 6-max is bs.

That is all.

I started analyzing it in my head as PLO, then when I looked at the suits I noticed something weird.

Tough spot. I think I'd call on the flop to see what happens if a blank falls. When the blank hits and he goes pot on the turn, it makes for a tough decision. You either need to commit your stack or fold here. Its probably very close considering what's already in the pot. Here's a potential range for him:

Board: Td Qc 9c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.414% 52.06% 04.35% 40716 3405.00 { JJ-99, AQs-AJs, AcTc, Ac8c, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KJs+, QJs, J9s+, T9s, Tc8c, AQo-AJo, KJo+, QJo }
Hand 1: 43.586% 39.23% 04.35% 30684 3405.00 { AhQd }

In real time I might shove the turn or fold and make the decision based on any previous history with villain.

id probably just call down and let vill valuetown himself w/ KQ/pair+J. if we raise the only thing that gives us action is stuff that's beating us or maybe pair+J