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07-11-2008 , 09:15 PM
no reads yet, only playing for 10 min... what should my line have been here?

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UTG+2: $67.10
MP1: $59.85
MP2: $36.95
CO: $30.55
Hero (BTN): $47.75
SB: $46.70
BB: $43.65
UTG: $45.95
UTG+1: $33.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 9 Q
UTG calls $0.50, UTG+1 calls $0.50, 1 fold, MP1 calls $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, UTG calls $3, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.75) 8 7 Q (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $5, UTG raises to $15, Hero calls $10

Turn: ($38.75) 6 (2 players)
UTG bets $27.45 all in, Hero calls $27.45

River: ($93.65) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)
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07-11-2008 , 09:57 PM
fold pf. fold flop. fold turn
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07-11-2008 , 10:19 PM
I like PF depending on your image, but fold to cr on flop - what I mean is if it's the first hand you've played it's a fair raise otherwise as bengiec says.
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07-12-2008 , 12:03 AM
villain is 9/5/1/200

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Hero (SB): $100.35
BB: $51.25
UTG: $109.95
MP: $49.25
CO: $13.05
BTN: $38.45

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $51.25 all in, Hero ?

Last edited by Dr_Jeckyl_00; 07-12-2008 at 12:11 AM.
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07-12-2008 , 12:07 AM
Btn is 16/5/4/75

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BTN: $212.20
SB: $112.40
Hero (BB): $219.80
UTG: $66.70
UTG+1: $96.00
UTG+2: $107.35
MP1: $98.00
MP2: $133.75
CO: $38.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $4, 3 folds, BTN raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

Flop: ($36.50) 7 8 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $33, Hero calls $33

Turn: ($102.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $163.20 all in, Hero?
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07-12-2008 , 12:44 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
villain is 9/5/1/200

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Hero (SB): $100.35
BB: $51.25
UTG: $109.95
MP: $49.25
CO: $13.05
BTN: $38.45

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $51.25 all in, Hero ?
Getting 2.3:1 there's no way you can fold here. You have odds unless his range is KK+ which is pretty unrealistic
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07-12-2008 , 12:46 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
Btn is 16/5/4/75

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BTN: $212.20
SB: $112.40
Hero (BB): $219.80
UTG: $66.70
UTG+1: $96.00
UTG+2: $107.35
MP1: $98.00
MP2: $133.75
CO: $38.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $4, 3 folds, BTN raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

Flop: ($36.50) 7 8 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $33, Hero calls $33

Turn: ($102.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $163.20 all in, Hero?
I'd usually fold the flop but you absolutely need to fold the turn.
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07-12-2008 , 02:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
villain is 9/5/1/200

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Hero (SB): $100.35
BB: $51.25
UTG: $109.95
MP: $49.25
CO: $13.05
BTN: $38.45

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with A K
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $20, BB raises to $51.25 all in, Hero ?
I would just flat the 3bet.
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07-12-2008 , 02:53 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgunnip
I would just flat the 3bet.
I wouldnt flat AK oop in a bvb battle ever I dont think.

I'd definitely be getting it in here.
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07-12-2008 , 03:02 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00
Btn is 16/5/4/75

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $212.20
SB: $112.40
Hero (BB): $219.80
UTG: $66.70
UTG+1: $96.00
UTG+2: $107.35
MP1: $98.00
MP2: $133.75
CO: $38.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
2 folds, UTG+2 raises to $4, 3 folds, BTN raises to $16, 1 fold, Hero calls $15, 1 fold

Flop: ($36.50) 7 8 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $33, Hero calls $33

Turn: ($102.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $163.20 all in, Hero?
OOP 200 BB in an inflated pot really sucks in general - BTN would seem to have an uber-tight range (QQ+/AK?). Even if he has JJ, on a lot of boards (like this one) you may have to put your whole stack in to find out if it's the 1/3 pairs that you beat. If he has AK unimproved on the flop, you may have to call a big bet to find out if he's going to slow down. You probably don't have set odds even 200 BB deep (he won't pay you off sometimes, even when you flop set and get it in you lose 200 BB a % of the time).

I.e., play the playa and his position, fold PF as odd/bad as that may seem. Calling and C/Folding if you don't set flop is probalby okay too (i.e. if he'll check behind his missed AK sometimes and you can play from the Turn on, etc.).
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07-12-2008 , 06:45 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackize
I'd usually fold the flop but you absolutely need to fold the turn.
why do you call pf if you fold this flop?
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07-12-2008 , 08:24 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sence25
why do you call pf if you fold this flop?
Setmining. Guys as tight as he is at FR very often are not 3betting AK/JJ
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07-12-2008 , 01:26 PM
Sometimes I'll 3bet sometimes I'll just flat here w/e. Villain was 17/14 ish tight over 100 or so hands. cbet 80%.


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UTG: $50.00
CO: $21.10
BTN: $50.00
SB: $51.85
Hero (BB): $69.65

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $2.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.00) 9 T 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

Turn: ($12.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

River: ($31.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $23.75
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07-12-2008 , 02:34 PM
ok villian is 32/28. I am really lost on the river. Do I bet or is c/c the best in this spot


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SB: $29.70
BB: $25.70
Hero (UTG): $51.80
MP: $27.45
CO: $82.90
BTN: $48.90

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 2 2 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.75) K (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8

River: ($27.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $14, Hero calls $14
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07-12-2008 , 07:38 PM
Cleinen, I would be inclined to fold that river without history. WTF is he value betting and he only has like 35, A3, A5 to turn into bluffs though he will sometimes turn a smaller pp into a bluff. Half pot is hard to fold though, so calling isn't going to be too bad from a pot odds point of view.
Betting 20 and folding to a shove is hard to do, but that is the best line imo. FWIW, I would take that line with AcQc too.
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07-12-2008 , 10:39 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgunnip
Sometimes I'll 3bet sometimes I'll just flat here w/e. Villain was 17/14 ish tight over 100 or so hands. cbet 80%.


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UTG: $50.00
CO: $21.10
BTN: $50.00
SB: $51.85
Hero (BB): $69.65

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $2.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.00) 9 T 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

Turn: ($12.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

River: ($31.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $23.75
I don't really like the passive line vs one opponent. That said I can't ever see myself flding on the river... not that calling is right, but I am not capable of folding there... yet
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07-12-2008 , 10:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by cleinen
ok villian is 32/28. I am really lost on the river. Do I bet or is c/c the best in this spot


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SB: $29.70
BB: $25.70
Hero (UTG): $51.80
MP: $27.45
CO: $82.90
BTN: $48.90

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q Q
Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $2, 2 folds

Flop: ($4.75) 2 2 4 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, BTN calls $3.50

Turn: ($11.75) K (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8

River: ($27.75) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $14, Hero calls $14
I think c/c is fine. I think you have to call if you check since checking likely enduces a bluff, especially on that river.
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07-13-2008 , 03:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jgunnip
Sometimes I'll 3bet sometimes I'll just flat here w/e. Villain was 17/14 ish tight over 100 or so hands. cbet 80%.


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UTG: $50.00
CO: $21.10
BTN: $50.00
SB: $51.85
Hero (BB): $69.65

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with Q Q
UTG raises to $2.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $1.75

Flop: ($5.00) 9 T 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $3.75, Hero calls $3.75

Turn: ($12.50) T (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50

River: ($31.50) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $23.75
seems like an easy call given how you have unrepped your hand like whoa
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07-13-2008 , 03:44 PM
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SB: $113.70
BB: $100.00
UTG: $137.55
MP: $100.00
CO: $126.85
Hero (BTN): $137.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 4 4
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, 1 fold, BB calls $3

Flop: ($8.50) 3 8 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8.50) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $5, Hero raises to $16, BB calls $11

River: ($40.50) 7 (2 players)
BB bets $22 Hero ?

no reads other than his stats 24/13/3.25
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07-13-2008 , 04:27 PM
just ship it in
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07-13-2008 , 05:10 PM
GtrHtr, what strongish losing hand could BB have to call a river shove? 22 or 33?

Also, wtf get on AIM or call me! I'd threaten you, but ... you know, you with the guns the knives and the 100 ways to kill a man with your bare hands and stuff.
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07-13-2008 , 05:22 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet
GtrHtr, what strongish losing hand could BB have to call a river shove? 22 or 33?
flushes,straights, lower sets, 87, 99-TT/JJ
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07-13-2008 , 05:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by microbet
GtrHtr, what strongish losing hand could BB have to call a river shove? 22 or 33?

Also, wtf get on AIM or call me! I'd threaten you, but ... you know, you with the guns the knives and the 100 ways to kill a man with your bare hands and stuff.
there are numerous hands he could have been trying to c/r the flop on. 99+, he can have A8, 88, 33, 22 etc. If he has 88 or 56 good for him. Also, my "just get it in" comment is my general way of saying raise the river.

I'll get on aim this evening EST, sorry about that.
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07-13-2008 , 06:09 PM
You gotta discount JJ+ for 3betting most of the time pre - and 99 and TT will 3 bet pre sometimes too. 99 and TT will often look for c/r on the flop, but turn and river play don't really look like a hand anywhere in the A8 - 87 range and if his hand is in that range he's bet-folding the river a lot when he does bet.

summary: Never folding better, rarely calling with worse, quite possible he has better.
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07-14-2008 , 08:00 PM
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SB: $44.30
BB: $112.60
UTG: $113.95
MP: $139.50
Hero (CO): $103.00
BTN: $93.40

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T A
2 folds, Hero raises to $4, BTN calls $4, 2 folds

Flop: ($9.50) 8 J T (2 players)
Hero bets $8, BTN calls $8

Turn: ($25.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $18, Hero raises to $91 all in

villain is 21/18/4.5 with a 3.3 turn aggr

2nd pair + over + fd = nuts right ?
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