I was ordered to make a new thread.


And to start it off, a slightly theoretical discussion to settle an argument:

You are on the button. Effective stack sizes are 100bb, in a SSNL cash game.

The small blind plays 29/9. The big blind plays 43/20. All players fold to you on the button.

In this theoretical situation, you have a choice of your cards - you can either have (a) K2o or (b) 63s. Which do you choose? (or option C - it doesn't matter 'cause you fold either way)

depends much more on how they play post-flop imo

the hands we raise should be reflective of how villain plays post flop ?

if someone is a calling station post-flop, K2o is much better than 63s. if they are only calling flop bets w/ top pair+, 63s is better

if someone is a calling station postflop, (and probably based on that doesn't fold PF), opening K2o in the first place is probably not a great idea

unless I guess they never fold and you can really value town then hard as **** when you flop TP with your king, but based on that, you pretty much have to hit a king to win the pot

well there were only 2 hands to choose from...

yeah, but one of the options was 'or should I just fold'

I guess I'm not cut out for cash...I don't have near the balls to play either with stacks so deep.

oh well id still raise K2o even if they call down w/ any pair

damn i raise 63s but not k2o

so if you raise, and miss, are you cbetting most flops against this guy who calls down with any pair, and if so, is it somewhat for meta-game, or do you think its purely +EV in itself

i raise K2o but not 63s.

I figure these factors make both +EV:
a) I'm on button (losses minimised, wins maximised)
b) There is equity from winning the blinds
c) Neither player re-raises often enough to cost me money
d) The cbet is going to win me a heap of pots

Some other things I consider:
e) Hitting top pair is likely to make me win the hand at showdown
f) flops that we both miss I will win courtesy of (d)
g) some flops that villain misses (such as when he calls with 77 and board comes 9TQ) I will win courtesy of (d)
h) when flop comes K72 and villain has something like 78+ and 88-JJ I'll win a showdown if villain calls my cbet
i) since I know my hand won't stand much pressure, I'm not likely to lose a big pot to a larger kicker.
j) the big pots that K2 loses involve 2pair v 2pair, and they're very rare

depending on their postflop play d) may not be true, the 40/23 could have a very high wtsd, and a very low fold to cbet

Initial raiser is a TAG who folds to 3bets 93% of the time. Flat caller is 37/3/2.7 who NEVER 3bets. Sample sizes are 1000k hands. The c/r AI was INSTANT. Checkraise % is 5.

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shakinhands ($154.65)
Edmuntus ($104.50)
Zigauner ($139.55)
Firetribe ($100)
Locutus1 ($95.50)

shakinhands posts (SB) $0.50
Edmuntus posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Jc Ad
Zigauner raises to $3
Firetribe raises to $10.50
fold, call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($25) 4h Jh 2d
check,
Firetribe bets $18
shakinhands raises all-in to $144.15
Firetribe?

I would fold this..It's hard to imagine what he could be doing this that doesn't have you beat..(QQ-AA,AKs+...)..

If you had the Ah it might be closer..

Villain is 30/13/3.3 ober 600 datamined hands. Hero has no image (as far as i know).

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Emanuelsson ($22.63)
b4ifuru17 ($99)
Zappa51 ($166.50)
Firetribe ($124.93)
j4ckj4ck ($86.06)

Emanuelsson posts (SB) $0.50
b4ifuru17 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe T T
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($8.50) 2 8 9
Firetribe bets $6.50
j4ckj4ck calls $6.50

TURN ($21.50) 4
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $12
Firetribe calls $12

RIVER ($45.50) 6
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $25
Firetribe calls $25

if you have the Ah, it takes a fair number of flush draws out of his range (which you are ahead of) , thus making you worse off against his probable range.

the bb is a station, so in a fishbowl without additional information I'd find another table or I'd fold both 63s and K2o and tighten up my range assuming the table is too good to leave.

I dunno, I usually call the river but I think I call too thin on the river tbh, something I'm working on. I think this is a clear fold on the river.

Karp hand 1
I wouldn't three bet pre as played flop is a fold probably and it would usually be a c/f except villain play 40% of hands pre.

Hand 2 is a fold most peoples flop calling range are pairs or big diamonds they usually just try to get showdown with pair. I might bet fold the turn and if he calls a turn bet c/f river.

This got ignored the last time but I'd really like some thoughts on playing a game like this...

1/2 live uncapped full table. Almost everybody at the table is horrible...loose, passive, calling stations. Half the table will have VPIP of 75-100%, PFR of 0-10%, and standard open-raising for these guys will be $12 minimum. 3-betting is non-existent. And a raised pot will have no less than 3 players, with 3 being extremely rare going to the flop (usually 4-6). The pots do get raised PF quite a bit however.

Most start out with like $100 or even less, but after an hour or two, some of these guys will have $300-$500 behind from the big pots that ensue.

Is there a couple sentences that you could advise on how to maximize your expectation? My PF approach has been this:

Play fairly tight, raise for value; bluff like never; limp behind in position with a lot of hands like small-medium PP, SC even two gappers, especially when the big stacks are in the hand;

Sound good?

Also, I found myself limping behind with AKo (6-7 limpers to me in SB or BB)...it felt really dirty but raising would yeild a 4-5 player hand. Flop checked thru...Check/folding a 8s9s4hKd board when it went bet, raise.

Right...for some reason i was thinking hero would have the flush draws..

Fold. If you happen to be ahead of a flush draw, you're still going to lose a chunk.

Putting your stack in with just a pair of jacks is not likely to be good.

PF is fine; I'd probably bet slightly more on the flop, and check/fold the river.

Is 3-betting a TAG with AJo standard or is this for your shania I can't call the flop. Can we check behind waiting until a non-<3 turn to continuation bet?

I'd suggest:
-raise larger amounts than you would online
-get into HU pots with position
-limping behind with AKo is just silliness - put in a big raise.