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FD, that's good advice, but I'm telling him he should maybe get comfortable calling a big river bet.

It's definitely hard to make that call without really watching the guy. If I've seen him slowplay a big hand then that's it, I'm calling him down here.

It's a bad spot but FD hit it pretty well. Also, given the fact that you have QQ with a spade lessens the chance that he's on the QJ sd or a flush draw.

Im a tard b/c a big part of my thought process on this is that we have QQ and not KK (which i would call/call always vs this guy) b/c its much harder for him to have a straight draw, while w/ KK all combos of OESDs are unhindered and we are blocking QJ hardcore.

Two hands.

#1 villain is unknown. Am I missin out on value not betting this river?

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SB ($93)
BB ($95)
UTG ($40)
UTG+1 ($102.50)
Hero ($195.45)
BTN ($132.70)

Dealt to Hero QQ

fold, fold, Hero raises to $4, fold, call, fold,

FLOP ($9) 574

check, Hero bets $8, SB calls $8,

TURN ($25) 5747

check, Hero bets $20, SB calls $20,

RIVER ($65) 5747K

check, check






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#2 BB is a TAG. A note says "has FPS". Whatever that means. SB is LAG but shows aggression in very small pots only.

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SB ($86.60)
BB ($100)
UTG ($301.50)
Hero ($104.55)
CO ($106.65)
BTN ($120.60)

Dealt to Hero QA

fold, Hero raises to $4, fold, fold, call, call,

FLOP ($12) 97Q

check, check, Hero bets $11, SB calls $11, BB calls $11,

TURN ($45) 97QK

check, BB bets $25, Hero?

Karp - I'm not good enough to value bet that thin in hand 1. I think checking is fine.

Hand 2 I fold. I think you might be a little ahead and he has a bazillion outs, but you could be behind and drawing thin or dead. Also you have the SB still in the hand to be concerned about.

Karp (and cha) checking the river seems fine there, but he still calls with 66,88-JJ if you don't bet too big.

Hand 2 - FPS = Finnish Player Syndrome
KQ and JT are both possible. Pretty small bet there for him to be trying to bluff both of you out. There's some chance it's a draw or a blocking bet with QT or something, but like cha said it's mostly way behind or a bit ahead. SB can screw things up for you and whatever SB does, the river is likely to be a bad spot.

All that sounds nice, but it still seems like a hard fold there on the turn in the real world.

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NO NO NO NO

shove that all day is what Im getting at, what are you afraid he has? KJcc is pretty much all you lose to and there are infinity busted draws for him to put you on when you shove for less than PSB and call w/ his 88/99/TT/etc. and odds are he didnt c/c down w/ KXcc anyway (AK 3bets pre a lot and raises the flop even more, KQ is impossiple, KT and lower its less likely he calls pre and even less likely he c/c down 2 big bets, SHOVE.

Hand 2 I fold, but if the board was 2 7 Q K

then I would be CRAI instead of folding b/c JT wouldnt be a concern so you lose to KQ and sets (which almost always raise the flop) and he has to call w/ a FD and bad TAGs bet FDs all day here.

Dont mean to rain on the party but ive always wondered why this thread exists and why its so popular? Is there a reason you dont like posting in SSNL, or are you guys all just friends and like talking poker to each other?

1. Your knowledge base is different if you play cash after mastering ICM and the tight passive style of most SNGs where n90% of the action is PF.

2. Some ex-STTFr's have become top notch cash players, and feel they want to keep contributing to the Forum that helped them so much, hence the quality of advice available to us here is very good. VERY GOOD. I have twice read both these threads start to finish- v useful.

3. SSNL is good too and most of us read and post there too, but you're right we're all, if not friends, at least a group of people with a common background in STTs, and I'm sure IRL we'd all get on. More to the point, I trust the advice of people here like FD and Devin, because I have confidence in their poker skills and understanding which derives from my knowledge that they understood STTs. I can't judge the competence of some replies in SSNL - I can here.

4. This thread is a great resource for STTers who switch to cash - let it live on!

FD, I thought you were saying check and I was thinking that you're worse than me at poker. Now I'm back to thinking you're better.

cool makes sense peru.

there is so much noise in SSNL, like probably 95% of it is noise/awful advice. There are a lot of good players that post there but it's hard to know who to listen to, especially when a lot of people widely considered good posters have no clue. I think it's because for some reason a lot of people have convinced themselves that 1/2 is like super hard post-UIGA or something and think they are super special for beating it. The abundance of massive egos there is really ridiculous.

I also think people feel more comfortable posting spots that may be somewhat standard to a lot of players and would get harsh responses in SSNL/uNL (although >50% of the harsh responses would be nonsense). I do post in MSNL as well and most of my posts here are responses to hands, I also respond to hands in uNL and SSNL on occasion as well.

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MP: $754.30
Hero (CO): $433.15
BTN: $363.00
SB: $215.30
BB: $55.70
UTG: $200.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A T
UTG calls $2, MP calls $2, Hero raises to $10, 2 folds, BB calls $8, UTG calls $8, 1 fold

Flop: ($33.00) 6 2 T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets $18, BB folds, UTG calls $18

Turn: ($69.00) 9 (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: ($69.00) T (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets $28, UTG raises to $100, Hero calls $72


villain is 22/18. this hand is from a few days ago so i don't remember my reads at the time. i never see river c/r's as bluffs or anything like that so i was hesitant to stack off, although there are obv lots of TX's i'm ahead of. im a vaigne.

What's with the really small river bet?

What the hell is a 22/18 limping UTG?

I think most villains are leading the river with their full houses and trips so I think it's more likely he's turning something like 77 into a bluff.

Given that, I'd shove since I think we can discount stuff that has you beat and you might be able to get him to spaz out and call with 77 or call with JTs or something.

Any T is probably calling and I can't see him checking a set twice, so I'd shove and get folds on a lot in this spot because a huge part of his range seems to be a bluff.
I can't see him having a hand that beats you TBH.

Is this coolio?

Donk betting villain is a bad LAG who donk-leads 24% of the time. The initial PF raiser whos calling the $12 bet is a TAG with low WTSD%.



SB ($63.30)
BB ($108)
UTG ($164.30)
UTG+1 ($105)
CO ($95.50)
Hero ($191.10)

Dealt to Hero 77

UTG call, fold, CO raises to $4, Hero call, fold, fold, UTG call,

FLOP ($13.50) 564

UTG bets $12, CO calls $12, Hero raises to $61.50 and will call a push even from the deep LAG

I don't think a 22/18 guy is going to turn any hand that he limp/calls utg into a bluff without some history. The turn and river were both really good for 77/88 and he's way more likely to call the river bet with these than turn them into a bluff.

I still call the river raise as we are getting good enough odds but I think shoving is pretty bad. No better hand is folding and I really don't think we are good 60%+ of the time or whatever we need to make a shove good.

Eh his line really doesn't make sense for value. I think combined with the fact that bengie bet so small on the river this really looks like a "you can't call this" raise and I think he'll spaz out enough to make a shove profitable.

Poker Stars $5/$10 Limit Hold'em - 10 players
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Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with 8 8
1 fold, Hero raises, 6 folds, SB calls, 1 fold

Flop: (5 SB) 3 4 8 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.5 BB) 7 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB calls

River: (8.5 BB) 9 (2 players)
SB bets, Hero raises, SB 3-bets, Hero calls




Just thought I'd contribute.

sick.

lacky, lol limitaments. standard limit frustration scenario.

FD, on Karps QQ hand, villain has about a PSB left on the river, my question on betting the river is would he call with a worse hand? The only hand that beats us is an overpair which is hugely unlikely or a Kcxc flushdraw that missed the draw but hit the overpair. So villain has $61ish on the river, my instinct would be to bet $45ish into the $65 pot. not sure what I'm saying here.

Beng, I have noooo idea what he has there, but I'd call too. The only reason to limp there would be to induce the shorty in the blinds, but that is overall such a strange line that I have no clue where you are by the river, although the river is a ok bluff card (not great). If he limped to induce then he has AA, KK type of hand. very strange. 100bbs deep I'd shove fyi.

lacky is it standard to not cap that flop?