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02-08-2008 , 03:30 AM

#701

Pudge714

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DD,
I don't mind the sizing given stacks, but if he was 100 deep I would hate it.

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02-09-2008 , 08:53 PM

#702

dipstikdave

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villain is 29/23/1.75 over 48 hands.

Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $134.80
BTN: $102.25
SB: $155.20
Hero (BB): $100.00
UTG: $119.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9

3 folds, SB raises to $4, Hero calls $3

Flop: ($8.00) J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8.00) 3

(2 players)
SB bets $6, Hero calls $6

River: ($20.00) 7

(2 players)
SB bets $13, Hero raises to $26, SB raises to $145.20 all in, Hero calls $64 all in

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02-09-2008 , 08:56 PM

#703

DevinLake

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3bet preflop.

Turn is standard.

What's with the min raise? Trying to be like all the donks and get min value from your draws? Just shove and then you don't need to call his small 3-bet on the river. As played, call.

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02-09-2008 , 09:13 PM

#704

AMT

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agree, 3 bet pf and raise more on river. as played call.

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02-09-2008 , 09:23 PM

#705

kleath

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Originally Posted by Ditch Digger

Saw this hand in SSNL. Is this turn really a good bet? Everybody that posted in that thread seemed to think it was fine. Is checking the turn too much showdown tournament thinking?

Your getting value from all the draws + Js that will call bet but wont bet river.

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02-09-2008 , 09:28 PM

#706

sence25

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Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 3,676

Starting to learn cash at NL50.

Villain 17.8/6.7 over 90 hands.
Pretty passive guy, any thoughts appreciated.
Wanted to cr/ai turn to get TT JJ in.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

MP ($50.50)
CO ($8.95)
Button ($48.75)
Hero ($60.70)
BB ($72.80)
UTG ($164.75)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q

, Q

.
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $7, 1 fold, MP calls $5.

Flop: ($14.50) 9

, 7

, 8

(2 players)
Hero bets $11, MP calls $11.

Turn: ($36.50) 7

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $32.5 (All-In), Hero calls $32.50.

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02-09-2008 , 09:30 PM

#707

Eagles

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dipstik
I 3bet sometimes pf but clal is fine. I also would raise turn sometimes but call is fine.

On the river its a fold its rly sick I cry and call because hes never bluffing but he might roll over QJ or a lowe flush or w/e but he willdef have a bot some % of the time.

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02-09-2008 , 10:07 PM

#708

DevinLake

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sence, he's going to check back a lot of his hands that you beat on that turn. Just shove the turn.

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02-09-2008 , 10:22 PM

#709

sence25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinLake

sence, he's going to check back a lot of his hands that you beat on that turn. Just shove the turn.

Thanks for feedback Devin

Also since a lot of guys in here started with cash not to long ago you might want to tell me good essays/threads which helped you to start and improve etc.
Thanks!

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02-09-2008 , 11:50 PM

#710

Jbrochu

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sence, go through the stickies in the ssnl forum there are lots of good posts referenced. Also, hit up the free vids available at leggopoker and deuces cracked. (There are probably free vids at other sites as well but I know the two sites I referenced have full length free vids available.)

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02-10-2008 , 12:02 AM

#711

dipstikdave

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sence25

Thanks for feedback Devin

Also since a lot of guys in here started with cash not to long ago you might want to tell me good essays/threads which helped you to start and improve etc.
Thanks!

i like this one for starters:
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...47&an=0&page=0

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02-10-2008 , 01:05 PM

#712

sence25

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Thanks for your advice I'm gonna start reading now.

I just played this one - villain was kinda solid in the few hands I saw.
No stats yet.
How is flop raisesize? What do I do if he reraises the flop ?

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (6 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

Hero ($51)
SB ($17.70)
BB ($68.45)
UTG ($61.35)
MP ($50)
CO ($63.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A

, K

.
UTG raises to $1.5, 2 folds, Hero raises to $6, 2 folds, UTG calls $4.50.

Flop: ($12.75) 9

, K

, Q

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.5, Hero raises to $12, UTG folds.

Final Pot: $25.25

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02-10-2008 , 05:56 PM

#713

Kä²°ä®¥n

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Raise size is good. I'd call/push if villain reraises. Board is wet and you has TPTK on a 3bet pot! And since when do solid players minilead a 3bet pot?

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02-10-2008 , 07:55 PM

#714

sence25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kä²°ä®¥n

Raise size is good. I'd call/push if villain reraises. Board is wet and you has TPTK on a 3bet pot! And since when do solid players minilead a 3bet pot?

yeah that was not that solid lol
i meant that before i couldn't spot any fishy play on his part

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02-10-2008 , 07:56 PM

#715

DevinLake

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since, looks good to me. Between 3-4x his raise if fine ip.

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02-10-2008 , 08:04 PM

#716

sence25

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Ok thanks for feed!
Another hand:
Villain pretty loose but has not threebet before, I don't have stats sorry.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (5 handed) Hand History converter Courtesy of PokerZion.com

SB ($58.10)
BB ($35.30)
UTG ($36.85)
MP ($166.90)
Hero ($57.20)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T

, J

.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, SB raises to $5.5, 1 fold, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($12) 7

, J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($12) T

(2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, SB calls $10.

River: ($42) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $25, SB raises to $37.6, Hero calls $11.70 (All-In).

Final Pot: $116.30

Please tell me it was very bad not to bet the flop.
How is preflop, apart from this?

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02-10-2008 , 08:09 PM

#717

sence25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by dipstikdave

i like this one for starters:
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...47&an=0&page=0

This was a really good read thanks dipstikdave.

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02-10-2008 , 08:34 PM

#718

futuredoc85

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sence25

, J

.
UTG calls $0.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $2.5, SB raises to $5.5, 1 fold, UTG folds, Hero calls $3.

Flop: ($12) 7

, J

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Turn: ($12) T

(2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero raises to $15, SB calls $10.

River: ($42) K

(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $25, SB raises to $37.6, Hero calls $11.70 (All-In).

Final Pot: $116.30

Please tell me it was very bad not to bet the flop.
How is preflop, apart from this?

flop check is fine, pf is iffy especially since you're not used to playing w/ 100bbs and there isnt too much light 3-betting going on at 50nl

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02-10-2008 , 08:44 PM

#719

DevinLake

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But futuredoc, it's sooooo small.....

And, where have you been? update on your father-in-law prop bet?

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02-10-2008 , 08:47 PM

#720

sence25

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yeah I was close to just fold but then again I like to get into spots where I can learn something

figured my hand does kinda well against his assumed overpair and it costs me only 3$ to play for a 100$ pot(dunno whether those random fishes ever fold QQ+ as an overpair?)

you're right that i'm not yet used to play 100 BB stacks but it's already lotta fun!!

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02-10-2008 , 09:41 PM

#721

Ditch Digger

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This is the type of hand where I usually get lost after the flop. Villain seems like a decent lag in a very small sample size. Do I have to get it in on a flop like this if he raises my cbet? Maybe check/shove instead of cbetting? Turn seems like an easy bet/call. Please rip me a new one.

Full Tilt Poker, $1/$2 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

MP: $64.30
CO: $208.15
BTN: $307.05
SB: $537.95
Hero (BB): $190
UTG: $224.40

Pre-Flop: J

dealt to Hero (BB)
2 folds, CO raises to $7, 2 folds, Hero raises to $22, CO calls $15

Flop: ($45) Q

(2 Players)
Hero bets $32, CO calls $32

Turn: ($109) 3

(2 Players)

Hero ?

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02-10-2008 , 10:09 PM

#722

DevinLake

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If he slow played that board with a better hand, good for him. I'm betting that turn.

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02-10-2008 , 11:43 PM

#723

Ditch Digger

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DevinLake

If he slow played that board with a better hand, good for him. I'm betting that turn.

Yeah, turn seemed like a pretty easy spot to bet/call. More worried about my bet sizing on the flop and what to do if raised(I assume puke and fold since I don't really have any previous history with the guy). Figured the smaller bet gets a few worse hands to peel another card and AQ and KQ will have a very hard time raising the flop and calling any turn bet.

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02-11-2008 , 12:47 AM

#724

DevinLake

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yea, I'd probably pot a flop of that texture. Honestly I don't know if I could b/f that on the flop in a 3-bet pot. People get out of line, and one pair hands are the nutz, which you have great equity against. You should poker stove this with a reasonable range for him to shove here.

I'd actually often just c/shove this flop, because people call a lot of 3-bets ip in late position.