Diamond Lie, I'd fold there, he looks really nutted there, looks like 66/AQ/A6 most of the time, especially because he backraised.

I'd just call the first time around on that flop. He'll probably slow down with AJ-. If I'm raising here, I probably want to be able to call 3-bet. I certainly want to be willing to shove the turn if called. If these two scenarios aren't the case, I don't really like raising.

Ok, wanted to see if calling and getting it all in on turn was better, or if anyone was for getting it all in on this flop

Or if most thought it was a fold on flop

Jbrochu:

JJ hand I'm with Devin, check shove turn. Potentially giving a free card sucks a little but that's the downside of being OOP. If villain has minraised a draw he is quite likely to bet again on the turn. If he has an 8 or a lower pocket pair, betting here achieves little since you are not getting three streets of value out of his hand. Rather than bet now you can bet the river if he checks turn. My second choice after check/shove turn would be check/call. You have a good but not great hand and extracting value from worse hands is tough, so there's no shame in simply aiming to show your hand down. You sacrifice value but avoid getting stacked.

AQ: Fold. What draw do you think he missed? The bet means what it says.

cha59:

I would call and proceed with caution. Folding is reasonable.

criss:

I would instacall. Those passive guys sometimes play weirdly when the pot gets towards the size of their stack. I wouldn't be surprised to see AT here. If he has a set or 63 good for him, but there is just no way I'm folding getting 2:1 pot odds.

Edit: Hmm. I was still on an old page. You should be able to figure out what hands these comments refer to.

Mike, I never think of using poker stove like this but I really should.

I played around with villains ranges a bit, added some hands like 88,99,TT,JJ,QQ.

About the worst case I come up with I have 40% equity and best case is 50% equity.

If we assume villain shoved, since I have no FE when I shove, it essentially works out to $138 in the pot costing $46 to call so exactly 3-to-1 odds.

I guess this is a really easy push once I make the flop bet, and I think I have to make that flop bet.

One thing I did notice is I could have raised it just a bit more preflop, maybe
to $18 or even $20, to cut down on opponents implied odds a bit.

Jbrochu,

Its great for developing how to assess all possible ranges (and tweaking as appropriate), and figuring out how close your trouble hands really are. You'll notice the more you use it, the easier it will be to help decide in the spots you usually blank

I really like the check/shove turn line you and Devin suggest. I ended up check/calling and the flush card came on the river and villain insta shoved. I thought about it for a bit and folded but it sucked because I had half my stack in there.


Ok, so in this hand I called because I thought he was full of ****...

Turns out he was full of ****, he had Ace little and I took the pot. However, I knew when I was clicking that call button that it was dirty and the wrong play, but I was on subtle tilt and my finger just ignored the signal from my brain to fold.

I just wanted to confirm I should have folded, and everybody I've talked to has said fold.

This one generated some interesting discussion on AIM with a few very good players who had some differing opinions.

Preflop is non-standard for me because of the players left to act - shorty in BB is a wild LAG who has a very good chance of shoving this trying to squeeze preflop, which I really want him to do here. SB is pretty straightforward and isnt likely to make a move without a monster. UTG is ~30/3 in only 30 hands so far.

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SB: $115.40
BB: $40.00
UTG: $99.00
MP: $124.00
CO: $101.40
Hero (BTN): $107.10

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with K A
UTG raises to $3.50, 2 folds, Hero calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 4 T Q (2 players)
UTG bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($18.50) 4 (2 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero raises to $98.60 all in

Comments on any streets welcome.

Against a 30/3, I think I'm just calling the turn as well. I doubt he's folding that often and your nut outs are well disguised. It'll be hard to put you on a gut shot or runner runner flush draw if they hit.

Turn is a really easy call, agreed w/ Devin

Anything else just feels wrong since you are only putting in money behind (majority of the time) and he folds much less than he is calling here

I like the line of just calling turn also, as I don't think we ever fold out TP or better.

Cha, if you had more hands against this guy, say 200 or so, and he was still 30/3 I would probably still just call preflop because his UTG raising range has to be extremely narrow. He would be the type of player who limp/calls all his pairs and doesn't raise until maybe JJ or better. I also doubt AQ would be in his UTG raising range.

I'm curious if people think that calling is correct, or would you still raise it preflop anyway, and what would you do with AKo...?

Good points, but like you said, it would take a ton of sample to determine he's only raising AK,JJ+ there. AK plays fairly easy post flop but gets muckier the more people you encourage to see a flop.

RE: DiamondLie AK...

Devin, who's going to slow down-the bettor or the caller? Are you just calling in a defensive mode to the "minbettor" and the caller? If the caller has TPTK beat, wouldn't he raise on this board? I think both of your qualifications are met here. I would raise/4 bet now.

I personally would have gotten it in on the flop, shoving over his minraise. your misclick has also disguised your hand a bit and the caller has a short stack.

I'm not sure I'm making good bet sizes here. CO is pretty lagish, 32/18 maybe more aggro pf, w/ a stl% >35. BTN is a calling station. PF I raised pot+1bb, standard?


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CO: $103.00
BTN: $80.40
Hero (SB): $121.40
BB: $74.30
UTG: $49.50
MP: $51.60

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K Q
2 folds, CO raises to $3.50, BTN calls $3.50, Hero raises to $16, 1 fold, CO calls $12.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($36.50) 3 4 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $22, CO calls $22

Turn: ($80.50) 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $65, CO calls $65 all in

River: ($210.50) J

BB is solid, I don't know whether his is capable of squeezing light or not.

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BTN: $36.75
SB: $122.35
BB: $98.00
Hero (UTG): $223.30
MP: $109.85
CO: $65.20

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A A
Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, CO calls $3.50, 2 folds, BB raises to $15, Hero calls $11.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($34.00) 2 T 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($34.00) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $18

It seems in my experience that when the OOP 3-better checks the flop he's often planning to c/r. I would bet the flop and plan to shove over his c/r. If he calls or folds well thats OK too.

I think I just discovered a leakage in that sometimes I just really really want to stack these assbags on this particular hand and this particular time.

jg,

KQ squeeze, seems all good. Can we ever try to squeeze, cbet, and then give up when the opp and board tells us to? i.e. here he obviously likes his overpair and the 9 on the turn isn't a real scare card for him, but like I said, seems good especially with the club on the turn.

AA, I wouldn't expect a solid player to be squeezing light to a tag UTG raise. I'd expect him to have a top %-type hand. The board sucks for him so he's prolly going for pot control or a c/raise. I'd bet (smallish I think), so many scare cards will kill your action later.

29/25 4.0 75%cbet

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MP: $99.50
CO: $96.50
BTN: $241.45
Hero (SB): $280.60
BB: $98
UTG: $127.50
Pre-Flop: 5 4 dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $4, 3 folds, Hero calls $3.50, BB folds
Flop: ($9) A 6 8 (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks
Turn: ($9) 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $7, UTG calls $7
River: ($23) J (2 Players)
Hero bets $15, UTG raises to $55, Hero ...

All streets plz.
Easy fold, right? I have a pretty laggy image right now.

What do you think Mike, JJ? Backdoor hearts seem pretty unlikely and it looks like a bad spot for villain to bluff given the board, but if he had 66/88/AA it seems like he'd get some more money in earlier. I'm obviously not qualified but it can't hurt me to try and discuss it I guess.

Villain is 44/10 over a small sample, turn I guess isn't great since he's unlikely to fold a pair or draw, but given that, is there any value in turn bets in spots like this with combo draws/pairs+draws that way there's more in the pot so you can win more on the river or bluff certain villains off certain river cards?


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CO: $33.75
BTN: $35.90
SB: $28.20
Hero (BB): $24.90
UTG: $6.75

Pre-Flop: 5 K dealt to Hero (BB)
UTG calls $0.25, 2 folds, SB calls $0.15, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.75) 7 6 8 (3 Players)
SB bets $1, Hero raises to $3.50, UTG folds, SB calls $2.50

Turn: ($7.75) Q (2 Players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.85, SB calls $4.85

River: ($17.45) Q (2 Players)
SB bets $1

Mike,

I hate the preflop call here from OOP. Your most likely hand on the flop is a draw and it's going to be hard to play OOP, and even more so against a villain with those numbers. I would usually just fold preflop but raising once-in-a-while is fine too.

Even on the button I would prefer to 3-bet this hand preflop against this type of opponent. I like a flat call on the button against a tight player that can't let go of overpairs postflop.

I like how you played the flop and turn and river. I think if your image is kind of wild I would call on the end but I'm not really confident here.

Sippin,

There absolutely is value in semi-bluffing the turn there. What you have to determine is what has more value: semi-bluffing, or checking behind.

When you semi-bluff, you often win what's in the pot now when they fold, win more when you catch on the river, and sometimes win when you bluff the river. Offset these when you are c-raised, or lose when you bluff river.

When you check, you win when you hit (and this amount is important to the value of checking behind), you sometimes win when he checks and you check with the best hand, or bluff the river. Offset this when you hit and you lose since this hand isn't always to the nuts.

When you know you can get his stack if you hit, it is often times better to check behind. Both semi-bluffing and checking are profitable here I think. I personally would have bet about $5 on the turn, setting up a nice river pot size bet.

Did he really bet $1 on the river??? LOL or did you just cut off the text there?

JB,
Yeah, preflop call was bad I think too. I saw $127 in his stack and thought "oooh, good implied odds with this guy, yum yum." But looking at it again, probably not good enough, but probably not super bad though. I was actually considering a check-raise on the flop given his tendency. I think that's a good board for it, but my position sucks, so meh.

Mike, yes, he bet $1 on the river, I was tempted to shove but I doubt I could have even folded a 7 on that board against a ******.

sippin, I almost always check behind there. You probably aren't getting his full stack unless he ends up with a lower flush and he's not folding very much either, so both you're implied odds and FE aren't great which is why against villains like this I'm checking behind.