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Old 02-20-2008, 11:36 PM   #871
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Lol, results oriented ftw!
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:12 AM   #872
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No hands with villain. The only potential read is very last hand I got check-raised on the turn and I folded (flop check-check).

But when you flop TPTK when TP is a baby, and the board is really draw heavy, what do you think about? There's only a few cards in the deck you really want to see, and you're almost always going to be facing a turn bet. I have to c-bet this, right? Folding seems weak, but seems like the best option. Help please...maybe some "general" thoughts on how to play this type of situation?

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Old 02-21-2008, 12:14 AM   #873
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Lol, results oriented ftw!
Yeah, mikey, **** em! You played it correctly obvioiusly
Although I could see squeezing in the first hand...I hate that he's a pretty tight 3-bettor as far as I can tell atm.
The second hand CO has a short stack, I just don't ever see him folding so dislike that one even more.
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:18 AM   #874
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If you know he is tight pre, I would probably call and get it in on blank turns since he can't have hands like 68, 54, 75, 74, etc so most of his c/ring range are semibluffs/bluffs/sets. I dunno how randoms play at 100nl and I don't hate folding.
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Old 02-21-2008, 10:49 AM   #875
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Full Ring Question here. I'm playing primarily 6max cash now so I haven't been around but STTF has always treated me well and the players here know their ****. Its nice to come home every once and awhile.

So my roommate and I have a disagreement on how to play AA UTG. I'm a stark advocate that AA should never be limped unless. . .

1) You know you're going to get raiser behind you by someone playing loose.
2) Other people will call or raise that raise because he's playing loose.
3) You're likely to get action from your coming c/r
4) You won't get reraised by the loose player if you raise from EP

My roomie, on the other hand, likes to limp AA half the time or so in order to allow himself to limp more medium sized pairs. Also, he doesn't like getting cold called by a few people forcing him to play AA OOP.

I counter that raising AA should allow him to raise more medium sized pairs, especially if he's getting multiple cold calls as that allows him to effectively play for the medium pairs set values in that spot.

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Old 02-21-2008, 11:49 AM   #876
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If you know he is tight pre, I would probably call and get it in on blank turns since he can't have hands like 68, 54, 75, 74, etc so most of his c/ring range are semibluffs/bluffs/sets. I dunno how randoms play at 100nl and I don't hate folding.
random tight-asses at .5/1 play 88-JJ just like this, id just toss it
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Kibby,
Assuming he is 100bbs deep he should be raising all pairs UTG. He should have a read to lrr AA and not just do it to mix it up
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I'm pretty sure raising any pair UTG at a full ring table is at best marginal or neutral EV and at worst, considerable spew.

Edit: Obviously will depend on the table, but I think generally speaking it's a leak.
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Old 02-21-2008, 12:01 PM   #879
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Full Ring Question here. I'm playing primarily 6max cash now so I haven't been around but STTF has always treated me well and the players here know their ****. Its nice to come home every once and awhile.

So my roommate and I have a disagreement on how to play AA UTG. I'm a stark advocate that AA should never be limped unless. . .

1) You know you're going to get raiser behind you by someone playing loose.
2) Other people will call or raise that raise because he's playing loose.
3) You're likely to get action from your coming c/r
4) You won't get reraised by the loose player if you raise from EP

My roomie, on the other hand, likes to limp AA half the time or so in order to allow himself to limp more medium sized pairs. Also, he doesn't like getting cold called by a few people forcing him to play AA OOP.

I counter that raising AA should allow him to raise more medium sized pairs, especially if he's getting multiple cold calls as that allows him to effectively play for the medium pairs set values in that spot.

Cheers,
Kibby
your roomate is levelling himself. The last thing he wants to do is play small pots w/ AA to allow him to play small pots w/ other very good hands more often
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Kibby, he probably read somewhere about limp reraising AAxx in Omaha which is pretty unexploitable at the Omahahaha lower limits.
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Old 02-21-2008, 01:38 PM   #881
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Kibby, are you talking about 6max or full ring?

In 6max it is bad. If it's worth playing, it's worth opening for a raise.

In full ring, you can certainly use limp/raising as a strategy with AA. But, just like anything you need to mix up your range. You need to be limp/raising with other hands to. Most do not, most pick up small pots when they do this because their hand is face up. And, if you are deep (>100 bbs), you really don't want to be playing your AA face up.
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Kibby, are you talking about 6max or full ring?

In 6max it is bad. If it's worth playing, it's worth opening for a raise.

In full ring, you can certainly use limp/raising as a strategy with AA. But, just like anything you need to mix up your range. You need to be limp/raising with other hands to. Most do not, most pick up small pots when they do this because their hand is face up. And, if you are deep (>100 bbs), you really don't want to be playing your AA face up.
Ya, its full ring. I'm agreeing with and have told him pretty much everything that has been said here. I was confident in my answers but don't play full ring so I wasn't overly so that I didn't want to check with you guys. thanks for the help.

How would you react to the statement, "But you don't want 4 cold callers leaving you playing AA OOP"

I said, sure you do. You'd rather have a raise, but you have the best hand and more money in the pot the better. Thoughts?
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Ya, its full ring. I'm agreeing with and have told him pretty much everything that has been said here. I was confident in my answers but don't play full ring so I wasn't overly so that I didn't want to check with you guys. thanks for the help.

How would you react to the statement, "But you don't want 4 cold callers leaving you playing AA OOP"

I said, sure you do. You'd rather have a raise, but you have the best hand and more money in the pot the better. Thoughts?
tell him to learn how to play poker or switch to donkaments? I could use his logic to make a case for openshoving 99+, AQ+ at a FR cash game as well.
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blackize,
You could be right, I don't play full ring. Although I would be sorta interested in 12 tabling 2/4 fr or something because it seems like printing money.
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Old 02-21-2008, 03:12 PM   #885
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just find FR tables that are 3-6 handed and sit at them and LAG it up, the regs are completely lost. by the time the table fills up, you have a nice maniacal image and you can tighten up and get paid off on everything.
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