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Old 04-20-2008, 09:42 PM   #1451
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Okay I'm once again losing money fater than HM can count.

Villain is 23/17/10.6 over 350 hands. The other dude is a standard TAG.

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SB ($100)
BB ($161.13)
UTG ($98)
Hero ($100)
CO ($84.25)
BTN ($176.42)

Dealt to Hero AQ

fold, Hero raises to $4, call, fold, call, fold,

FLOP ($13) 6QJ

check, Hero bets $11, CO folds, SB raises to $33, Hero raises to $96 all-in.
This is a tough one for me. Keeping in mind small hand small pots, big hands big pots... this seems like a small hand. But villain is super agro so I guess that makes the shove ok. I don't think you can call his raise so you either need to shove of fold at that point.
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Old 04-20-2008, 09:49 PM   #1452
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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I have a live hand from this weekend...

9 players, Blinds are $1/$3

UTG $275
Old Man Fish ~$75
Me BB $300
All others from $100ish to $400ish

I am in the BB with J9
UTG raises to $15, 6 calls LOL, I call $10

Flop 789 (pot is $120)
Hero checks, UTG bets $30, 2 folds, Old Man Fish raises to $62 all in, 3 folds, Hero shoves.

My question is mainly about whether I really care if UTG calls a shove with an overpair? I don't know if he is capable of folding an overpair--my guess is that he would fold if I shove. Also, calling PF is absolutely 100% standard here, right? I was planning on check raising the flop. Is leading better?

The other relevent info is Old Man is super LAP pf (prolly like 80/5) and TAP post flop--bets with hands, and checks or calls without hands. Here I am absolutely certain he has at least 2-pair and will never be semi-bluffing here. He could have A9 or K9 but unlikely as he would have just called.

UTG is a co-worker of mine and is decently aware of PF values but I don't really know how how he plays post flop. I am absolutely certain he has a big pair here JJ+ and possibly AK. From what I know he prolly doesn't have TT or a set.

Mike, I think you need to bet your non nut draws. I don't like a shove w/ non nuts either, nor shoving tpgk. I think a nice 3/4 pot open bet on flop is best, and a cheap way to get some information.
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:16 PM   #1453
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

How's my line (just started... no stats or reads)

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $45.00
UTG+1: $23.35
MP1: $27.45
MP2: $5.00
Hero (CO): $24.65
BTN: $48.45
SB: $24.75
BB: $21.40

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 9 8
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 checks, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1.25, UTG+1 calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.85) 2 7 T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($10.85) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($14.85) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
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Old 04-20-2008, 11:40 PM   #1454
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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BB: $43.10
UTG: $38.00
UTG+1: $13.25
UTG+2: $49.00
MP1: $20.55
Hero (MP2): $53.75
CO: $61.25
BTN: $50.50
SB: $10.90

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with A T
4 folds, Hero raises to $2, CO calls $2, 1 fold, SB calls $1.75, 1 fold

Flop: ($6.50) 2 9 4 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4.50, CO calls $4.50, SB folds

Turn: ($15.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $9.50, CO calls $9.50

River: ($34.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero bets $22.50,


help me stop spewing like this

is that even a believable triple barrel?
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Old 04-21-2008, 12:04 AM   #1455
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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UTG: $66.10
UTG+1: $51.25
UTG+2: $59.45
MP1: $50.00
MP2: $54.10
CO: $48.75
BTN: $48.50
Hero (SB): $64.35
BB: $22.45

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K K
6 folds, BTN raises to $2, Hero raises to $7.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $5.50

Flop: ($15.50) 6 8 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, BTN calls $11

Turn: ($37.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($37.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks


wtf do i do in these spots? is this fine or do i place a bet somewhere?

no reads
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:26 AM   #1456
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

jeckyl, not so sure about raising turn, but you're always ahead on the river, so just bet a smallish amount.

lipo, AT, you've chosen kinda the worst card to double barrel on, I'd just check this down after the flop w/out special reads.

KK, Blah I'm not so sure about the turn, if he's somehow solid there's not a lot of aces in his range.
Still a check is best imo because there's not much more than one street of value in this hand for us left.
I think blocking the river is a cool thing, he usually doesn't fold a pair.
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:33 AM   #1457
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $66.10
UTG+1: $51.25
UTG+2: $59.45
MP1: $50.00
MP2: $54.10
CO: $48.75
BTN: $48.50
Hero (SB): $64.35
BB: $22.45

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K K
6 folds, BTN raises to $2, Hero raises to $7.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $5.50

Flop: ($15.50) 6 8 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $11, BTN calls $11

Turn: ($37.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($37.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks


wtf do i do in these spots? is this fine or do i place a bet somewhere?

no reads
sometimes i'll bet the turn cus i 2x barrel there a lot and they sometimes call/sometimes fold. if you don't bet the turn i think u should bet the river
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:42 AM   #1458
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

nobody think $11 on turn is not enough with KK? I overbet pot here and get lots of value from TT/JJ/QQ maybe $18.
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:43 AM   #1459
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

sence: I'm not great with board texture, so why exactly is that 2 the "worst card"? I know it's another blank on a dry board and the only hands I can represent here are QQ+, but is there some significance I'm missing? thanks in advance. also, if I am going to do something retarded like triple barrel sunday donks at 50nl, what kind of boards should I be looking for, is there some kind of rule/pattern as to which boards will increase my fold equity?

I think a block bet would be cool on the river and didn't really think of it. How much do you make your block bets, because I always seem to make mine too small, they read it was weak, and repop me. Would $18-$20 be fine as a river bet?
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Old 04-21-2008, 02:11 AM   #1460
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

If turn was like a Q+, a highcard, this would be a good card to barrel.
2 doesn't change the hand a lot at all, he might still stick to his mid pocket(although your range for betting the turn again should be only hands that beat his prolly, but he doesn't know that).

I'd probably bet about half pot in the KK hand.
I know your issue of getting repopped a lot on blockbets. I just started calling when I thought I knew what they were doing and started to catch some bluffs(you shouldn't do that too often obviously).

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Old 04-21-2008, 03:10 AM   #1461
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Ok, I went to LA for work last week, and our new tradition is to work all day/night finish 1/2-1 day early and drive to Vegas... gambol/party all night...

So I played some $1/$3 and $2/$5 no limit cash at the Palms last night... oh yea, and Bones was at my table, but I had never met him before, but I had seen his picture on trip reports, so I asked and it was him... so this was pretty cool... he's the 1st 2p2 I ever met in person...

Anyway $2/$5 hand I had about $550 I was in one of the blinds and hyper LAG opens for $35 from MP, folded to me w/ AKclubs. Villain has me covered.

I know I am well ahead of the crap he opens with... call or raise pf?

On flop of Ten high all spades... what should my line be?

Are you in the blinds? I make it no less than 125 here intending to get all in on any sort of favorable flop against this guy and never folding pf. From the blinds I prob make it something dumb like 160.

On that flop I'd chk behind or chk fold prob.

Fwiw the hyperlag in question won foxwoods (same final table as durrrr) and was splashing around a ton, so he def wasn't a live nit.
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2nd hand at the Palms was this morning... playing $1/$3. I had one hour from 8-9 to play some poker before heading to the airport and I had just sat down a few minutes prior.

UTG is short stack w/ a $90 stack and he opens all-in... $90 to win $4. Villain 2 has me covered w/ approx $550-$600. He appears to be one of 6 or 7 regulars at the table. He calls shorty after asking shorty if he has AQ. It is folded to me. I am in BB w/ AK (btw, I bought in for $500).

What should my line be?

Depending on who the reg is, I prob jam.
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Simple? preflop decision vs a 16/12 with a 4.7% 3bet over ~400 hands.

$200.00 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players
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SB: $207.25
BB: $102.60
UTG: $117.00
UTG+1: $75.70
Hero (MP): $207.35
CO: $37.00
BTN: $281.50

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with Q Q
3 folds, Hero raises to $6, CO calls $6, 1 fold, SB raises to $22, Hero raises to $64 (I think this raise is good vs a looser player, but I'm now thinking calling is better vs this guy. What do you think?)

1 fold, SB raises to $124, Hero pukes and times out.

Does he have more than two hands in his range at this point?

Edit - the converter is a bit messed up. There was only one blind this hand, which is why I raised to 6 instead of 7. Villain was actually BB, even though it says SB and the guy who shows BB was actually UTG.

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I think his 3betting range is a lot narrower out of the SB so I think we can safely discount AK, making this a standard fold in my opinion
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I think his 3betting range is a lot narrower out of the SB so I think we can safely discount AK, making this a standard fold in my opinion
no his 3-betting range is much bigger b/c 2p2ers love to 3-bet from the blinds vs LP opens and the caller in the middle brings out the squeezetard in ppl
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I need to get better reading converted HHs, thanks for pointing that out futuredoc. I didn't realize we were in the Hijack vs a CO flatter (I neglected to read the 3 folds out in front), and Cha fixed the post saying the villain was in the BB

Now I'm interested in seeing what the right play is, because I don't know
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cha i hope you didnt really time out. you can't EVER 4-bet QQ for 100bbs if you have any intention of folding at any point after that. stick it in and hit your 2 outer, and i mix it up between calling and 4-betting here, b/c AK is def. in his felting pf range and some non-zero % of the time he will felt JJ and AQs
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Cha,

2 options, call the 3 bet pf or if and when you 4 bet just get it in.
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How's my line (just started... no stats or reads)

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

UTG: $45.00
UTG+1: $23.35
MP1: $27.45
MP2: $5.00
Hero (CO): $24.65
BTN: $48.45
SB: $24.75
BB: $21.40

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 9 8
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $0.25, 1 fold, MP2 checks, Hero raises to $1.50, 2 folds, BB calls $1.25, UTG+1 calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($4.85) 2 7 T (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets $3, BB calls $3, UTG+1 folds

Turn: ($10.85) 6 (2 players)
BB bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($14.85) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks
I'd raise the turn when he bets weak there like always.
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I'd raise the turn when he bets weak there like always.

The reason I did play str8 more aggressively is that I was afraid that the only action I get if I bet/raise is a hand that beats me, but taking a c/c line might get some bluffs which I beat. Is this terrible?
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hey im paying off value bets like a slot machine

what's a good way to stop?
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cha i hope you didnt really time out. you can't EVER 4-bet QQ for 100bbs if you have any intention of folding at any point after that. stick it in and hit your 2 outer, and i mix it up between calling and 4-betting here, b/c AK is def. in his felting pf range and some non-zero % of the time he will felt JJ and AQs
Yes I did time out. I was thinking AK was out of his 5 betting range when he didn't shove.

Prior to that when I 4 bet, I was intending to snap call a 5 bet shove from him and then the 5 bet minraise threw me for a loop. At that point I figured I have zero FE and a 20% chance of winning the hand. I was kicking myself for 4 betting this guy. I think sticking it in vs someone looser is always good here, but vs this guy, I just couldnt see him min 5 betting with less than KK.

Gtr Htr, you are correct, dont 4 bet this guy if you dont plan on sticking it in.
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I'd raise the turn when he bets weak there like always.
Villain has a single diamond there very often. Raise now while you can still get some value from it.
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Cha,

2 options, call the 3 bet pf or if and when you 4 bet just get it in.
and yes, shoving as the 4 bet went through my mind. I thought I might induce a shove from AK or JJ by 4 betting smaller. I think that line is actually good vs someone looser than this villain.
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