STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

[blackize]

In hand 1 the river call looks terrible. Turn is standard.

Nate, Josem, others,

What do you do if the river is 5h instead of 6d(Making the board Qs Js 5d Kh 5h)? Hero would then counterfeit QJ and make 55 very unlikely.

[Josem]

huh?

i don't believe Qx ever calls there, let alone lesser hands.

[K䲰䮥n]

Originally Posted by blackize

Nate, Josem, others,

Yeah don't add Karp to that list because he's a spwey idiot and has no feelings...

[K䲰䮥n]

Dazed and confused...

Villain 1 $100 (UTG)
Hero $100 (SB)
Villain 2 $60 (BB)

Villain 1 raises to $4 - 32/18/3b%6 over 140 hands
UTG+1 folds
CO folds
Button folds
Hero (Q Q) raises to $14 - TAG image this session
Villain 2 calls $13 - 38/4 over 90 hands
Villain 1 pushes all-in
Hero?

Pre-flop poker... you know the drill

[Josem]

karp,

www.rvgsoftware.com is the answer.

[futuredoc85]

Originally Posted by Josem

huh?

i don't believe Qx ever calls there, let alone lesser hands.

are you being serious? you're a computer-savvy guy, look through your DB at paired boards and check out the kind of hands that get shown down. This is a 100% std and mandatory value-bet.

Poker Stars $2.00/$4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $544.00
BB: $188.95
UTG: $398.80
MP: $446.40
Hero (CO): $556.20
BTN: $404.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T J
2 folds, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12

Flop: ($34.00) K T 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $20

Turn: ($74.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($74.00) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $52, BB calls $52

Spoiler:

Final Pot: $178.00
BB mucks 9d 9s
Hero shows Ts Js (two pair, Kings and Tens)
Hero wins $175.00
(Rake: $3.00)

this comp isnt even 2 weeks old and it took me 5 mins to find a similar hand

[K䲰䮥n]

Originally Posted by Josem

karp,

www.rvgsoftware.com is the answer.

It's the "common dynamics" that confuse me. I think the more people have been in these spots the better the quess for villan(s) range is/are.

So in this spot your guess is better than mine.

[K䲰䮥n]

Josem,

www.rvgsoftware.com does not work for this hand since there are 3 players involved.

[cha59]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Dazed and confused...

Villain 1 $100 (UTG)
Hero $100 (SB)
Villain 2 $60 (BB)

Villain 1 raises to $4 - 32/18/3b%6 over 140 hands
UTG+1 folds
CO folds
Button folds
Hero (Q Q) raises to $14 - TAG image this session
Villain 2 calls $13 - 38/4 over 90 hands
Villain 1 pushes all-in
Hero?

Pre-flop poker... you know the drill

Fist pumping call.

If V2 is slow playing AA or KK that way, congratulations to him. V1's range is likely plenty wide enough for this to be an easy call.

[MikeMcQ1]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

(reposting these since they got no love)

HAND1


Villain is 45/15/3.2 over 300 hands

http://www.holdemranger.com/realtime.html
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754888204

grinsekatze ($105.60)
Bigmighty ($100)
KingJames2323 ($150.85)
Sockerfri ($153.85)
bondigirl ($144.80)
Firetribe ($136.10)

grinsekatze posts (SB) $0.50
Bigmighty posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe 9 K
fold, fold, call,
Firetribe raises to $4.50
fold, fold, call,

FLOP ($10.50) 5 J Q
check,
Firetribe bets $7.50
bondigirl calls $7.50

TURN ($25.50) K
check,
Firetribe bets $18
bondigirl raises to $40
Firetribe calls $22

RIVER ($105.50) 6
bondigirl bets $45
Firetribe calls $45

Are we betting the turn for value because of our strong draws? I would have checked behind on the turn for the free card and to keep the pot small with our TPwK.

Can someone comment on the turn bet vs. checking behind the turn? Are we expecting Qx or Jx to call, because a better hand (Kx where x is almost always crushing us) will never fold and will almost always raise. I agree the river is an easy fold.

[Slim Pickens]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Dazed and confused...

Villain 1 $100 (UTG)
Hero $100 (SB)
Villain 2 $60 (BB)

Villain 1 raises to $4 - 32/18/3b%6 over 140 hands
UTG+1 folds
CO folds
Button folds
Hero (Q Q) raises to $14 - TAG image this session
Villain 2 calls $13 - 38/4 over 90 hands
Villain 1 pushes all-in
Hero?

Pre-flop poker... you know the drill

This looks exactly like a hand I posted last week except that both opponents were fairly nitty rather than one being a LAG and one a giant calling station. In this hand, BB's call doesn't worry me and the UTG raise/shove just means he has a hand that he doesn't want to fold. You're flipping with UTG's likely {JJ+,AK} and if he's any other hands in there, you're ahead. If BB had QQ beat you would have found out about it already.

[cha59]

Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1

Are we betting the turn for value because of our strong draws? I would have checked behind on the turn for the free card and to keep the pot small with our TPwK.

Can someone comment on the turn bet vs. checking behind the turn? Are we expecting Qx or Jx to call, because a better hand (Kx where x is almost always crushing us) will never fold and will almost always raise. I agree the river is an easy fold.

I'd check the turn too.

[cha59]

Originally Posted by Slim Pickens

This looks exactly like a hand I posted last week except that both opponents were fairly nitty rather than one being a LAG and one a giant calling station. In this hand, BB's call doesn't worry me and the UTG raise/shove just means he has a hand that he doesn't want to fold. You're flipping with UTG's likely {JJ+,AK} and if he's any other hands in there, you're ahead. If BB had QQ beat you would have found out about it already.

I think if his 3 bet range is 6% he is doing this with a wider range than that Slim. He could be squeezing with 99 TT AQ, maybe even less - especially if you've shown that you will fold after 3 betting (I know - we dont know if villain has seen Karp do this or not, but that would probably widen his range more).

BB having AA or KK is unlikely, but I have seen people with 38/4ish #s play them like this before. I think the chances of it are low, but > 0.

[Slim Pickens]

Originally Posted by cha59

I think if his 3 bet range is 6% he is doing this with a wider range than that Slim. He could be squeezing with 99 TT AQ, maybe even less - especially if you've shown that you will fold after 3 betting (I know - we dont know if villain has seen Karp do this or not, but that would probably widen his range more).

Agree... that's why I have no problem calling the shove.

[futuredoc85]

Originally Posted by cha59

I'd check the turn too.

we have top pair on a drawy board so id make the bet even with K9dd, as it is we not only are getting value from QX/draws we are building the pot so we can get paid more if we improve