STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

[xxdanimalxx]

Do you have a fold to 3b stat in your HUD? It's helpful for hands like this. It may not apply here because of such a small sample size but vs. regs you can see when you can 3bet AK for value.


And 3betting it pf will polarize his range but makes the hand easier to play.

[Doublez-Down]

I have it, but like you said, it's such a small sample, I don't really pay attention to it until I get a few hundred hands on them. And I'm all for making hands easier to play, but doesn't it also eliminate most hands I'm going to get max value out of?

Not trying to be results-oriented, but take this hand for instance. Say he has AQ or AJ. Do I want him folding those hands pre? Of course, I DO want him folding 99/TT, so idk, I can see arguments for 3betting and not.

[bones]

So you're flatting to keep in hands you dominate, but never value betting. You don't make money in poker calling to make tptk and trying to show it down as cheaply as possible.

[Jbrochu]

Originally Posted by Doublez-Down

I have it, but like you said, it's such a small sample, I don't really pay attention to it until I get a few hundred hands on them. And I'm all for making hands easier to play, but doesn't it also eliminate most hands I'm going to get max value out of?

Not trying to be results-oriented, but take this hand for instance. Say he has AQ or AJ. Do I want him folding those hands pre? Of course, I DO want him folding 99/TT, so idk, I can see arguments for 3betting and not.

I'm not familiar with how the FR games play, but at 6-max someone with only a half-stack mini-raising from UTG is very unlikely to fold hands like AQ or AJ to a 3-bet. Especially when they're a little on the tight side when they do open they tend to not like folding without at least seeing a flop.

Plus it sucks playing AK OOP and the nice thing about AK is you're usually way ahead or ony a little behind and you have blockers to the two hands you're worried most about.

For all those reasons I would 3-bet preflop unless I had a specific read on this guy beyond the stats.

[DevinLake]

xperu, play hands that aren't going to get you in trouble. Low to mid SCs, and suited one gappers mainly. Stay away from the broadway hands for the most part, or 3bet them as bluffs. You shouldn't be playing many hands against UTG opens from reasonable opponents.

[cha59]

Originally Posted by Jbrochu

I'm not familiar with how the FR games play, but at 6-max someone with only a half-stack mini-raising from UTG is very unlikely to fold hands like AQ or AJ to a 3-bet. Especially when they're a little on the tight side when they do open they tend to not like folding without at least seeing a flop.

Plus it sucks playing AK OOP and the nice thing about AK is you're usually way ahead or ony a little behind and you have blockers to the two hands you're worried most about.

For all those reasons I would 3-bet preflop unless I had a specific read on this guy beyond the stats.

All this^. With 62 BBs, you want to stack him when you flop tptk. Its much easier to do if you 3 bet preflop. Work on getting chips in sooner rather than later with good hands & pay attention to stack sizes.

[gobao]

Originally Posted by cha59

All this^. With 62 BBs, you want to stack him when you flop tptk. Its much easier to do if you 3 bet preflop. Work on getting chips in sooner rather than later with good hands & pay attention to stack sizes.

Agreed,but what if he is fullstack who will fold hands like AQ,AJ to the 3-bet,do we really wanna 3-bet him assuming he didn't min raise?
Cause either we will bet A,K high flops and take it down when he has PP(well he might float us but w/e) or c/f some ugly flops. How can we make value with AK by narrowing his range and pushing hands like dominated Ax out?

[xxdanimalxx]

This is where a fold to 3b stat is important.

Some nits will only continue with the absolute nuts pf so you can't really 3b them for value with AK. Some will call way too many 3bets and thus you can 3b a wide range vs. them for value.

[gobao]

Originally Posted by xxdanimalxx

This is where a fold to 3b stat is important.

Some nits will only continue with the absolute nuts pf so you can't really 3b them for value with AK. Some will call way too many 3bets and thus you can 3b a wide range vs. them for value.

What minimal sample is enough for this stat to be somehow accurate? 300hands?

[Doublez-Down]

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP2: $11.39
CO: $4.20
Hero (BTN): $9.85
SB: $2.82
BB: $10.00
UTG: $3.10
UTG+1: $10.65
MP1: $14.96

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 8 7
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $0.30, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.75) 8 7 T (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $0.30, Hero raises to $1, UTG+1 raises to $3.75, Hero raises to $9.55 all in

Random, only 19 hands on him. I think there are plenty of overpairs that he goes broke with and not many sets or straights in his range.



Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

MP1: $23.44
MP2: $4.80
CO: $10.01
BTN: $9.55
Hero (SB): $19.90
BB: $20.00
UTG: $12.10
UTG+1: $13.74
UTG+2: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with K Q
4 folds, MP2 calls $0.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.40

Flop: ($1.20) A T 4 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero raises to $2.10, BTN calls $1.60

Turn: ($5.40) 5 (2 players)
Hero bets $17.30 all in, ($6.95 effective)

Meh, bet sizing kinda sucked imo, as I was going for enough of a flop c/r to make the turn shove a psb but w/e. Another random 38/5 for 55 hands. Is leading out better? I think I can get more $$ in the pot by c/r since I'm OOP but not sure. Lolz, am I turning into an aggrotard?

[xxdanimalxx]

Hand 1 seems std vs. an ep open. Get it in and yell 'hoooold' really loud.

Hand 2 villain has AQ/AJ/A9 almost always when he just calls your flop c/r there. I'd cbet flop as pfr. Jamming turn seems standard as you're never bet folding.

Originally Posted by gobao

What minimal sample is enough for this stat to be somehow accurate? 300hands?

If it's less than 1k hands I'd probably be leery about relying on it too much. Also, it will take less hands to converge at 6m than FR since there should be more 3betting. But, if someone has like a 85% fold to 3b over 300 hands you can assume they fold to most 3b, it will at least give you an idea of their tendencies.

[DevinLake]

Hand 1: is fine.

Hand 2: don't c/r this flop. cbet it. c/r is going to get you in the exact mess it did get you in. The stacks are not good to check/shove, and any other c/r is awkward.

Bet it. If he calls c/shove the turn.

As played, check and see what he does. If he bets >1/2 pot or so fold.

[Doublez-Down]

Am I jamming over if he raises my cbet?

[bones]

yes

[cha59]

Originally Posted by Doublez-Down

Am I jamming over if he raises my cbet?

Run your hand w/that flop on poker stove vs any range you can think of & think about what you see.