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Old 07-31-2009, 12:54 PM   #4576
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

I normally play $50NL on betfair but just put $150 onto ftilt to unlock the $100 bonus with, so going to start grinding from $0.05/$0.10 so will post in here for a while with you guys. Hopefully get the acc to $1.5k by end of August and be playing 50nl again.
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Old 07-31-2009, 12:56 PM   #4577
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yes, I'd usually bet the turn. Just saying it's not to find out where I'm at. It's for the reason you just mentioned.
Sorry, shouldve worded my original answer a bit better, my point was that being oop your not really gonna know where your at whatever line you take, thats poker, being oop sucks, but the best line here for the turn and river is definetly an aggressive one rather than c/c'ing.
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Old 07-31-2009, 01:05 PM   #4578
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Sorry, shouldve worded my original answer a bit better, my point was that being oop your not really gonna know where your at whatever line you take, thats poker, being oop sucks, but the best line here for the turn and river is definetly an aggressive one rather than c/c'ing.

I'm not so sure about the river.

Smaller pairs might fold to a second barrel and whiffed draws definetely will so depending on villain check/calling might be better hoping to pick off a bluff. Pus some weak K's that are unlikely to fold to a river bet might just check behind.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:34 PM   #4579
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Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $10.10
Hero (BTN): $10.03
SB: $8.48
BB: $9.47
UTG: $20.56
UTG+1: $8.00
UTG+2: $12.79
MP1: $11.03
MP2: $10.73

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with 4 4
5 folds, CO raises to $0.40, Hero calls $0.40, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.95) 7 8 A (2 players)
CO checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($0.95) 4 (2 players)
CO bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.85, CO raises to $5, Hero raises to $9.63 all in

Any better way to play this? Villain is a nitty reg from the small sample I have and is 8/7 over 116 hands. I call pre since we're 100BB deep and I have position.
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Old 07-31-2009, 04:49 PM   #4580
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cbet the flop like 100% of the time.

turn is fist pump time. 3 bet is fine, but here I'd go for more like 1.50, no biggie tho. Jam to the 4 bet obv like you did.
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Old 07-31-2009, 05:20 PM   #4581
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cbet the flop like 100% of the time.

turn is fist pump time. 3 bet is fine, but here I'd go for more like 1.50, no biggie tho. Jam to the 4 bet obv like you did.

Did you misread hand or do you really think he should bet when PFR'r checks the flop?

I like checking behind here because PFR'r has such a low VPIP that he's likely to be either trapping or pot controlling with something like KK/QQ/etc. that's afraid of the ace.
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Old 07-31-2009, 05:37 PM   #4582
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I think CO is c/f here a lot. There is no value in c'ing behind on the flop, you have no sd value. If called you re-eval on the turn and if you hit gin as we did you have a better pot size...or if its a blank you shut down.
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Old 07-31-2009, 06:12 PM   #4583
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I keep value owning myself at 10NL
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Old 07-31-2009, 06:14 PM   #4584
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I keep value owning myself at 10NL
Biggest thing I learned in the past month since switching to cash...

Don't go broke with just a pair, unless it's preflop with KK/AA.

and keep telling yourself this...

THEY AREN'T PLAYING BACK AT ME.
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Old 07-31-2009, 06:25 PM   #4585
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Cheers DD got to remember that, its so different lol. All the players are so "trappy" all the time!
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I think CO is c/f here a lot. There is no value in c'ing behind on the flop, you have no sd value. If called you re-eval on the turn and if you hit gin as we did you have a better pot size...or if its a blank you shut down.
Are there really still nits out there that don't know enough to c-bet this flop with 100% of the air portion of their range?
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:32 PM   #4587
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Yes, I agree 100% that we should be cbetting that flop with 44 after he checks. Its sick the amount of nits that just check fold flops like that.
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Old 07-31-2009, 08:47 PM   #4588
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Rightio had my first session of 10NL, played 2k hands so reasonable one. Heres a few hands I think are interesting and would like feedback/opinions on:

On this table I'm running 25/19 and been pretty basic so far, cbetting etc.
UTG is a reg, as I've straight away got 212 hands on him, he has 24% vpip and 15% PFR. His EP PFR is 24% so far.
UTG+1 is a fish, 73 hands, 37% VPIP, 6% PFR.
I think my call pre is justifiable, I have a hand that can flop reasonably well, all stacks are at least a full buyin and one player is a major fish.
On the flop I am trying to define the hand, if RR I am most likely folded, but what with the draws available plus the fish I think leading is best here.
When UTG flats its pretty interesting spot imo, and turn is pretty good one. Not really sure how the best way to play it is tho, but I felt that by C/R I get a few of his paired hands to fold out, and if I do get snapped by a set or something I have outs.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

SB ($13.98)
Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($17.19)
MP ($17.85)
CO ($21.43)
Button ($11.94)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 8, A
UTG bets $0.35, MP calls $0.35, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($1.10) 4, 5, 8 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.70, UTG calls $0.70, 1 fold

Turn: ($2.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.60, Hero raises to $8.95 (All-In), 1 fold

Total pot: $5.70 | Rake: $0.38

Now a hand I got absoloutely owned on.
Ok thoughts, same 2 villains as before, didn't realise that till looking now, apparantly this is how fishy got his big stack lol. So he's 37/6.
The limper is 53% VPIP 5% PFR so I think iso raising on the btn is fairly standard. On flop I cbet pretty much my whole range so dont think thats debatable, what is however, is when he makes it 1.40. This is such a tiny c/r, which so far I've found to be pretty weak and often full of crap. So the question is do you flat it? I mean I feel as if we flat it our hand is face up, which possibly an argument is the guys such a fish it doesn't matter. I went for the tactic of 3betting him, and instead of jamming I felt a smaller 3bet looked stronger.
This ended up pure out owning myself, FPS possibly. I never thought he would flat so that sucked, then on turn when he ships, do you think I should be folding? Its kinda sick really, but hands on this car crash all around are welcome.

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CO ($14.58)
Hero (Button) ($18.44)
SB ($16.40)
BB ($10)
UTG ($21.58)
MP ($10.45)

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q, 9
2 folds, CO calls $0.10, Hero bets $0.50, 1 fold, BB calls $0.40, 1 fold

Flop: ($1.15) 6, K, 10 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $0.60, BB raises to $1.40, Hero raises to $4.30, BB calls $2.90

Turn: ($9.75) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $5.20 (All-In), Hero calls $5.20

River: ($20.15) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

Total pot: $20.15 | Rake: $1.34

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Theres way more but will leave those two for now to get your claws into
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:05 PM   #4589
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Hand 1, I wouldn't go playing too many hands like this OOP against regs, especially if you're willing to be this aggro with just TP. IP is a bit different.

Hand 2, I suppose iso-raising is fine in position. I'd probably just call (or fold depending on the blinds) pre, but I'll raise it sometimes to iso a bigstack fish IP. As played I don't hate the flop action with your big combo draw. I think if you're going to continue after his C/R then jamming is the best way, since your equity plummets on blank turns. I might just check behind on this flop though, as it's real drawy and they love to C/R these flops.

I'm still new though, so listen to others obv.

Oh yeah, hand 2, cbet seems a bit small imo.
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Old 07-31-2009, 09:28 PM   #4590
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Did you misread hand or do you really think he should bet when PFR'r checks the flop?

I like checking behind here because PFR'r has such a low VPIP that he's likely to be either trapping or pot controlling with something like KK/QQ/etc. that's afraid of the ace.
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Yes, I agree 100% that we should be cbetting that flop with 44 after he checks. Its sick the amount of nits that just check fold flops like that.
I wouldn't bet that flop if I wasn't going to bet the turn 95% of the time. I think they c/c that flop a lot, with whatever weak hands they usually have. Of course, some times you value town ur self against someone slow playing. But, that info is super valuable anyway, as their cbets are now super exploitable.

If they are just giving up, our 44 is good.
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