How much should I raise? I think calling is bad because he's not bluffy enough to do this with no hand and then follow it up on the turn with another bluff, so calling is just letting him draw for free to either the best hand or a scare card that kills my action. My biggest concern is getting the most from his range overall, which I think looks something like {55-JJ,AK,AQ, KQ}. I'm most concerned with looking weak enough to reel in the weak overpairs without letting the flush draw+overs hands out too easy.

i would just shove and make your hand look like a draw that wants FE, ppl love to call here with everything they raise that wasnt a total bluff

What if I made it $60, so he's calling $30 into about 100 with about 85 behind?

shovvvvvveeeee!!!!!! and do ur fist pump dance

sure, whatever you think will get the money in. the great thing about flops like this is as long as you dont fold you're doing fine

(reposting these since they got no love)

HAND1


Villain is 45/15/3.2 over 300 hands

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NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754888204

grinsekatze ($105.60)
Bigmighty ($100)
KingJames2323 ($150.85)
Sockerfri ($153.85)
bondigirl ($144.80)
Firetribe ($136.10)

grinsekatze posts (SB) $0.50
Bigmighty posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe 9 K
fold, fold, call,
Firetribe raises to $4.50
fold, fold, call,

FLOP ($10.50) 5 J Q
check,
Firetribe bets $7.50
bondigirl calls $7.50

TURN ($25.50) K
check,
Firetribe bets $18
bondigirl raises to $40
Firetribe calls $22

RIVER ($105.50) 6
bondigirl bets $45
Firetribe calls $45



HAND2

Villain is unknown

Aussie6330 ($82.50)
truemp ($147.60)
Ampelio ($100)
Firetribe ($102.75)
Parsy ($125)
2600 ($109.05)

Aussie6330 posts (SB) $0.50
truemp posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe K K
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
fold, fold, call, fold,

FLOP ($8) Q 9 A
Aussie6330 bets $3
Firetribe calls $3

TURN ($14) A
Aussie6330 bets $3
Firetribe calls $3

RIVER ($20) 6
check,
Firetribe bets $10
Aussie6330 raises all-in to $73
Firetribe folds



AND NO results oriented answers because I sure as hell didnt see those c/r'es coming!

fold river in hand 1, bet more on river in hand 2 then fold to the c/r

I think you need to fold the river, 'cause raising the turn is almost always a great big sign saying that he can beat top pair.

Calling the turn, however, is good due to your flush outs.

lol, wtf?

why bet river? you're not betting for value, and you're not bluffing anyone off trip aces (and everything less than trip aces you beat anyway)

josem, how can you ever not value-bet the river there? since when does 9X, TT-JJ, or QX ever fold there?

QFT. I'd bet bigger on the river to get more out of Qx and the other hands Nate mentioned and also to cut down on the frequency we get CR bluffed. Half pot I think gets c/r bluffed a lot more than a 14 dollar bet.

In hand 1 the river call looks terrible. Turn is standard.

Nate, Josem, others,

What do you do if the river is 5h instead of 6d(Making the board Qs Js 5d Kh 5h)? Hero would then counterfeit QJ and make 55 very unlikely.

huh?

i don't believe Qx ever calls there, let alone lesser hands.

Yeah don't add Karp to that list because he's a spwey idiot and has no feelings...

Dazed and confused...

Villain 1 $100 (UTG)
Hero $100 (SB)
Villain 2 $60 (BB)

Villain 1 raises to $4 - 32/18/3b%6 over 140 hands
UTG+1 folds
CO folds
Button folds
Hero (Q Q) raises to $14 - TAG image this session
Villain 2 calls $13 - 38/4 over 90 hands
Villain 1 pushes all-in
Hero?

Pre-flop poker... you know the drill

karp,

www.rvgsoftware.com is the answer.

are you being serious? you're a computer-savvy guy, look through your DB at paired boards and check out the kind of hands that get shown down. This is a 100% std and mandatory value-bet.

Poker Stars $2.00/$4.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $544.00
BB: $188.95
UTG: $398.80
MP: $446.40
Hero (CO): $556.20
BTN: $404.00

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with T J
2 folds, Hero raises to $16, 2 folds, BB calls $12

Flop: ($34.00) K T 7 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $20, BB calls $20

Turn: ($74.00) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($74.00) 3 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $52, BB calls $52



this comp isnt even 2 weeks old and it took me 5 mins to find a similar hand

It's the "common dynamics" that confuse me. I think the more people have been in these spots the better the quess for villan(s) range is/are.

So in this spot your guess is better than mine.

Josem,

www.rvgsoftware.com does not work for this hand since there are 3 players involved.

Fist pumping call.

If V2 is slow playing AA or KK that way, congratulations to him. V1's range is likely plenty wide enough for this to be an easy call.

Are we betting the turn for value because of our strong draws? I would have checked behind on the turn for the free card and to keep the pot small with our TPwK.

Can someone comment on the turn bet vs. checking behind the turn? Are we expecting Qx or Jx to call, because a better hand (Kx where x is almost always crushing us) will never fold and will almost always raise. I agree the river is an easy fold.

This looks exactly like a hand I posted last week except that both opponents were fairly nitty rather than one being a LAG and one a giant calling station. In this hand, BB's call doesn't worry me and the UTG raise/shove just means he has a hand that he doesn't want to fold. You're flipping with UTG's likely {JJ+,AK} and if he's any other hands in there, you're ahead. If BB had QQ beat you would have found out about it already.

I'd check the turn too.

I think if his 3 bet range is 6% he is doing this with a wider range than that Slim. He could be squeezing with 99 TT AQ, maybe even less - especially if you've shown that you will fold after 3 betting (I know - we dont know if villain has seen Karp do this or not, but that would probably widen his range more).

BB having AA or KK is unlikely, but I have seen people with 38/4ish #s play them like this before. I think the chances of it are low, but > 0.

Agree... that's why I have no problem calling the shove.

we have top pair on a drawy board so id make the bet even with K9dd, as it is we not only are getting value from QX/draws we are building the pot so we can get paid more if we improve