STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

[Slim Pickens]

SB just sat down. No history between us.

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $32.25
SB: $100.50
Hero (BB): $145.45
UTG: $100.00
MP: $100.00
CO: $83.60

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 3 3
4 folds, SB raises to $3, Hero raises to $13, SB calls $10

Flop: ($26.00) T 9 A (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $20, SB calls $20

Turn: ($66.00) 6 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: ($66.00) J (2 players)
SB bets $19, Hero considers shoving

[GtrHtr]

Originally Posted by DevinLake

Why would you want to leave the table with the bb being a station? I can see if the sb was too, but I love when the BB is a station cause he'll be most stationy out of the BB and I'll always have position on him.

K2o and 63s are some pretty crap hands. But, I with futuredoc. With a complete calling station I'd rather have the hand that has some high card value. Against people that can fold, i want the hand that gives us more semi-bluffing potential like 63s.

Basically, if I have a very bad player in the BB when I have the Button. I want to play lots of raised post with the villain.

I said I'd leave the table or tighten up my range

[DevinLake]

The obvious answer is to fold. With no history, I can't really see shoving there. Looks like a blocking bet, but it can also be just a donk that doesn't know how to size his bets.

Why are you over potting it pre ip?

[JL514]

Slim: As played I could see villain pairing his Js -- without any read on him I'd probably just fold.. no way of knowing whether he'll have the sense to fold his J for $50 more

[Pudge714]

Slim I don't really like three betting pre and I hate the sizing if you make it 9 that is pot.
I would check back that flop some percent of the time because it crushes his range.
Once I get to the river you can only really rep straights and I guess JJ and weird AJ, TJ, 9J. The thing is if you can shove TJ on the river you can't really bluff here because that means he is going to have one pair and call with it.l I think he is making stupid blocker with like QJ or spades enough to make it okay, but reads would be nice and at 100nl making complex bluffs vs. unknown is probably bad since people don't like folding.

[ManChild]

Originally Posted by Pudge714

I would check back that flop some percent of the time because it crushes his range.

The thing is if you can shove TJ on the river you can't really bluff here because that means he is going to have one pair and call with it.

at 100nl making complex bluffs vs. unknown is probably bad since people don't like folding.

all good points

[Jbrochu]

Originally Posted by Josem

I was ordered to make a new thread.


And to start it off, a slightly theoretical discussion to settle an argument:

You are on the button. Effective stack sizes are 100bb, in a SSNL cash game.

The small blind plays 29/9. The big blind plays 43/20. All players fold to you on the button.

In this theoretical situation, you have a choice of your cards - you can either have (a) K2o or (b) 63s. Which do you choose? (or option C - it doesn't matter 'cause you fold either way)

I would normally choose option C and fold them both.

If the blinds were tighter I would fold K2o and raise 63s, unless I had been abusing the hell out of my button, in which case I would just fold them both.

[K䲰䮥n]

Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1

Is 3-betting a TAG with AJo standard or is this for your shania

He was folding to 3bets 93% of the time, i hadnt 3bet before and blah blah i lose damnit

[K䲰䮥n]

Originally Posted by Pudge714

Karp

Hand 2 is a fold most peoples flop calling range are pairs or big diamonds they usually just try to get showdown with pair. I might bet fold the turn and if he calls a turn bet c/f river.

not wanting to be a nit but is that bet/fold river or check/fold river?

[K䲰䮥n]

Villain is unknown.


Locutus1 ($120.85)
Nimsay1 ($110.12)
shakinhands ($188.50)
bigkeith ($26.23)
Zigauner ($139.40)
Hero ($132.85)

Locutus1 posts (SB) $0.50
Nimsay1 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Hero 9d 9h
call, call, fold,
Hero raises to $5.50
fold, fold, fold, call,

FLOP ($13.50) Ks 5c Th
check,
Hero's plan for the hand?

(villain limp-called pre and checked on flop, hero has position)

[blackize]

Karp, be careful using stats like 93% folds to 3bet. You first need to separate folds to 3bets into 'folds to 3bets OOP' and 'folds to 3bets IP' the two drastically different types of 3bet pots come up infrequently enough that you really need a few thousand hands to start getting a good idea of a player's actual range.

[K䲰䮥n]

TILT

Villain is 45/15/3.2 over 300 hands

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NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754888204

grinsekatze ($105.60)
Bigmighty ($100)
KingJames2323 ($150.85)
Sockerfri ($153.85)
bondigirl ($144.80)
Firetribe ($136.10)

grinsekatze posts (SB) $0.50
Bigmighty posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe 9 K
fold, fold, call,
Firetribe raises to $4.50
fold, fold, call,

FLOP ($10.50) 5 J Q
check,
Firetribe bets $7.50
bondigirl calls $7.50

TURN ($25.50) K
check,
Firetribe bets $18
bondigirl raises to $40
Firetribe calls $22

RIVER ($105.50) 6
bondigirl bets $45
Firetribe calls $45

[K䲰䮥n]

TILT #2

Villain is unknown

Aussie6330 ($82.50)
truemp ($147.60)
Ampelio ($100)
Firetribe ($102.75)
Parsy ($125)
2600 ($109.05)

Aussie6330 posts (SB) $0.50
truemp posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Kc Kd
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
fold, fold, call, fold,

FLOP ($8) Qh 9s Ad
Aussie6330 bets $3
Firetribe calls $3

TURN ($14) Qh 9s Ad Ac
Aussie6330 bets $3
Firetribe calls $3

RIVER ($20) Qh 9s Ad Ac 6h
check,
Firetribe bets $10
Aussie6330 raises all-in to $73
Firetribe folds

Aussie6330 wins $101
wins $101

[dipstikdave]

villain is 18/10/1.4 over 180 hands.

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CO: $115.50
BTN: $55.00
SB: $19.90
BB: $182.20
UTG: $77.40
Hero (MP): $257.50

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with K K
1 fold, Hero raises to $5, 2 folds, SB calls $4.50, BB calls $4

Flop: ($15.00) 7 Q J (3 players)
SB bets $3, BB calls $3, Hero raises to $25, SB calls $11.90 all in, BB raises to $78, Hero

[Josem]

dsd,

you've said you've got a big hand at every opportunity, and everything points to villain having a bigger hand. so fold - i don't think villain does that with KT or 9T as much as trips.