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Old 01-10-2008, 01:12 PM   #421
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

i think this hand shows that i hate money. and i know this is a bit of a cooler, but how do i best avoid this?

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Hero (CO): $34.35
BTN: $24.65
SB: $24.20
BB: $19.15
UTG: $51.85
MP: $25

Pre-Flop: K A K A dealt to Hero (CO)
2 folds, Hero raises to $0.85, BTN folds, SB raises to $2.80, BB folds, Hero calls $1.95

Flop: ($5.85) 6 2 K (2 Players)
SB bets $3.50, Hero calls $3.50

Turn: ($12.85) 5 (2 Players)
SB bets $8.25, Hero calls $8.25

River: ($29.35) 5 (2 Players)
SB bets $9.65 and is All-In, Hero calls $9.65

Results: $48.65 Pot ($2.40 Rake)
Hero mucked K A K A (two pair, Kings and Fives) and LOST (-$24.20 NET)
SB showed A A (two pair, Aces and Fives) and WON $46.25 (+$22.05 NET)
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:15 PM   #422
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

you know its a cooler but you want to avoid it?
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:19 PM   #423
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

i'm asking is there a way you would play it differently, to avoid getting stacked here
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:34 PM   #424
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i'm asking is there a way you would play it differently, to avoid getting stacked here
Is there any reason to think you're not ahead on that flop?

I'd be getting it in a lot quicker than you did there.
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Old 01-10-2008, 01:38 PM   #425
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you could 4bet pf and fold to a push, but i like calling in position myself unless villain is very laggy. after the flop, there is not much chance of getting away from it, but i'd raise and could possibly find a fold to a reraise if villain is very nitty.
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Old 01-10-2008, 02:50 PM   #426
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JG - KQ - I give up after he calls the flop. I dont think 2 barreling is going to work because the turn did nothing and he likes his hand.
I picked up the 2nd nfd, does this matter? I just felt he was week and wouldn't play strong overpairs like this. He ended up calling with AQw/ the Q flush draw and I miss on river, blah.

Anycomments on the K9o river play?
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:08 PM   #427
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in that AK hand how come you guys are raising the flop? i have no problem with stacking off in that hand but that flop is really dry and it seems like you dont get paid from worse unless vill is wild and is 3b with like KT.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:14 PM   #428
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in that AK hand how come you guys are raising the flop? i have no problem with stacking off in that hand but that flop is really dry and it seems like you dont get paid from worse unless vill is wild and is 3b with like KT.

I like the flop call in that hand as well. I would usually shove the turn but I think it's fine as played also.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:16 PM   #429
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I picked up the 2nd nfd, does this matter? I just felt he was week and wouldn't play strong overpairs like this. He ended up calling with AQw/ the Q flush draw and I miss on river, blah.

Anycomments on the K9o river play?
If you had the nut flush draw I guess I'd like it better. I think some significant part of his range is the Ac.

I don't know on the K9 - has he shown any river aggression prior to this hand? It could be a lot of stuff other than a J. Maybe he shoved as a bluff, maybe he thinks his A high or overpair is good, maybe he is trying to get some value out of his J. Its a tough spot where more detailed reads are useful.
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Old 01-10-2008, 03:57 PM   #430
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um, how hard do you go at it this deep? villain is 30/5 and I have no idea where he makes money even over 100 hands. His usual line is to bet $1 oop regardless of position and then jam the turn or river w/ a psb. thoughts on my line?

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MP: $25.15
CO: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $340.90
SB: $113.30
BB: $66.55
UTG: $273.40

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with A 9
UTG calls $1, 2 folds, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, UTG calls $3

Flop: ($9.50) 7 9 T (2 players)
UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $7, UTG calls $6

Turn: ($23.50) K (2 players)
UTG bets $18, Hero calls $18

River: ($59.50) K (2 players)
UTG bets $22, Hero raises to $66, UTG calls $44
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I might overbet shove this river. Looks a lot like JQ to me.
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I like a bigger bet on river. He's not calling anything without trips, a straight, or a worse flush (unless he's crazy) and he'll likely call more with any of those.

Pushing is like $240 into $90 though - I think you gotta have a crazy image or villain be a big time sheriff to make that good.
damn, I wish I'd been thinking like you guys when I was on the river, I just didn't pick up any kind of a read because of his strange style and for whatever reason couldn't see the coordination of the board.

I didn't even have time to think about his hand once I saw it come up on the hud but after reading you're comments I realized what it actually was and that I gave up a lot of value - even if that second K hadn't worried the hell our of me.

He had QJ and no way he woulda folded to a shove. I missed the train to valuetown
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Old 01-10-2008, 04:01 PM   #431
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hay guys. early in session so no reads besides he was 40/0 over a small sample so prob a pro or something.



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Hero (SB): $28.70
BB: $22.05
UTG: $27.65
MP: $63.85
CO: $26.55
BTN: $34.05

Pre-Flop: T Q dealt to Hero (SB)
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) Q Q 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($4) J (2 Players)
Hero bets $3.25, BB calls $3.25

River: ($10.50) 6 (2 Players)
Hero bets $7.25, BB raises to $14.50, Hero calls $7.25


river... felt like there was nothing else i could do although i can see folding if i had a specific read. thoughts? thxbai
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Old 01-10-2008, 07:38 PM   #432
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hay guys. early in session so no reads besides he was 40/0 over a small sample so prob a pro or something.



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Hero (SB): $28.70
BB: $22.05
UTG: $27.65
MP: $63.85
CO: $26.55
BTN: $34.05

Pre-Flop: T Q dealt to Hero (SB)
4 folds, Hero raises to $0.75, BB calls $0.50

Flop: ($1.50) Q Q 8 (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.25, BB calls $1.25

Turn: ($4) J (2 Players)
Hero bets $3.25, BB calls $3.25

River: ($10.50) 6 (2 Players)
Hero bets $7.25, BB raises to $14.50, Hero calls $7.25


river... felt like there was nothing else i could do although i can see folding if i had a specific read. thoughts? thxbai
Blind vs blind - I cant fold trips on that board.
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Old 01-10-2008, 07:58 PM   #433
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Theres nothing different you should be doing with this hand, you're not getting away from it and you played it fine
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:41 PM   #434
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

appreciate the replys on the AK hand. sorry if its standard, but i'm really terrible at cash despite killing sngs, so i'm sure i have a few obvious questions. hopefully it will click soon...
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Old 01-10-2008, 11:45 PM   #435
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appreciate the replys on the AK hand. sorry if its standard, but i'm really terrible at cash despite killing sngs, so i'm sure i have a few obvious questions. hopefully it will click soon...
Ya, losing a stack there is not a leak.
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