STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2 - Page 288 - STT Poker Strategy

Doublez-Down · 07-05-2009, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1

DD, why are you playing with less than 50bb in your hands? I think at that buyin you are missing a lot of value from players.

$5 is 50bb at .10bb yes?

Oh, AK hand, I started with 50 ldo.

Doublez-Down · 07-06-2009, 06:21 PM

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $9.60
BB: $5.90
UTG: $3.29
Hero (MP): $7.76
CO: $1.80
BTN: $3.74

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K

K

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.55) 7

A

9

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.55) T

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($3.35) J

(2 players)
UTG bets $1.69 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Villain is 6/5 over 153 hands. Only thing I'm beating in his range is QQ imo.

DevinLake · 07-06-2009, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublez-Down

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with J

J

2 folds, MP1 raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 1 fold

Flop: ($0.90) 5

7

3

(2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $0.60, Hero raises to $1.85, MP1 raises to $6.45, Hero folds

I think c/r folding is terrible. You look committed, which means he's going to often decide to just stick it in with anything he's not folding. So, when you c/r here, were you hoping for a fold? Given the price, the fact their are worse made hands that can do this, and the fact there are draws on this board, you can't c/r fold here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1

7 handed -- Button has $420 I have 3x that.
I raise 5

6

UTG to $7
folds to button who calls. Blinds fold.

Flop J

K

2

(Pot is $17)
I bet $11, button raises to $30...

How can I play this 200bb deep OOP based on my image?

Based on your image, I'd start by not opening 65s UTG. You've already done the work that raising 65s UTG accomplishes. Your image is shot.

As played, you are getting a pretty good price to just call and make your hand. It's not really a spot where I'd expect him to bluff raise you so 3betting wouldn't be good imo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublez-Down

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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SB: $9.60
BB: $5.90
UTG: $3.29
Hero (MP): $7.76
CO: $1.80
BTN: $3.74

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is MP with K

K

UTG raises to $0.30, Hero raises to $1.20, 4 folds, UTG calls $0.90

Flop: ($2.55) 7

A

9

(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($2.55) T

(2 players)
UTG bets $0.40, Hero calls $0.40

River: ($3.35) J

(2 players)
UTG bets $1.69 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero folds

Villain is 6/5 over 153 hands. Only thing I'm beating in his range is QQ imo.

He doesn't have QQ. This looks good to me.

xPeru · 07-07-2009, 07:11 PM

I instafolded this, and am happy with it, since villain was a fairly standard 25nl TAG who occasionally limps. I put him on A6s/66. But are there any HUD numbers you could use to make you decide to call/shove this?

Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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CO: $25.45
Hero (BTN): $25.15
SB: $35.50
BB: $27.10
UTG: $25.70
MP: $17.10

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q

A

1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.40, 1 fold, MP calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.00) A

9

6

(3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero raises to $4.80, SB folds, MP raises to $15.60, Hero folds

Doublez-Down · 07-07-2009, 07:36 PM

Peru I don't mind just calling the flop since we're usually WA/WB imo. As played, I think it's a fold too. Maybe flop aggression factor could help, although I don't know if this line would count as anything since it's not an actual C/R. Obv take it fwiw in my case as I'm new to cash.

DevinLake · 07-07-2009, 08:23 PM

peru, looks good. Calling flop is also an option if you think he donks 'to see where he's at'.

dipstikdave · 07-07-2009, 10:29 PM

i treat tiny donkbets the same as a check. because of the str8 draw with 2 callers pf i'm betting this flop for protection so i like the raise. if it was heads up i would prolly just flat it. i don't think any hud stats would change the way i play it, i just don't see a tag going nuts with a weaker ace here or 78.

bengiec · 07-07-2009, 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xPeru

I instafolded this, and am happy with it, since villain was a fairly standard 25nl TAG who occasionally limps. I put him on A6s/66. But are there any HUD numbers you could use to make you decide to call/shove this?

Party Poker $25.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $25.45
Hero (BTN): $25.15
SB: $35.50
BB: $27.10
UTG: $25.70
MP: $17.10

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BTN with Q

A

1 fold, MP calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.50, SB calls $1.40, 1 fold, MP calls $1.25, 1 fold

Flop: ($5.00) A

9

6

(3 players)
SB checks, MP bets $0.50, Hero raises to $4.80, SB folds, MP raises to $15.60, Hero folds

he could have 87 here. but i like the way you played it. i think some of the time he calls here with an A and we're in really good shape. i agree iwth a lot of what dipstikdave said.

hud stats that i find useful here are the donk bet stat, dont remember which one that's called. but is def. useful here.

cha59 · 07-07-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xPeru

... are there any HUD numbers you could use to make you decide to call/shove this?

I think I would want a solid read rather than HUD #s to consider calling this. I'd want notes or something fresh in my mind indicating he'd try to pull off moves with bluffs, draws & weak hands. The problem with the donk bet # is it doesnt tell you what size he donks. This is coming from someone who is probably over-dependent on hud stats.

Doublez-Down · 07-09-2009, 10:46 AM

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CO: $5.08
BTN: $1.00
Hero (SB): $8.58
BB: $5.82
UTG: $3.29
UTG+1: $6.28
UTG+2: $1.88
MP1: $7.28
MP2: $9.49

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with K

A

UTG calls $0.05, 6 folds, Hero raises to $0.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.55) 5

K

7

(2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, UTG calls $0.40

Turn: ($1.35) Q

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.35, Hero calls $1.35

River: ($4.05) 4

(2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.29 all in, Hero requests TIME, Hero calls $1.29

Villain is 18/9 over 400 hands. Is not betting turn horrible? I mean what does he (a non-calling station) limp/call/call with that I really beat on turn? Would folding turn or river be too nitty? Mainly called river because of odds and to make a note obv.

gobao · 07-09-2009, 11:22 AM

I raise 6x since we are OOP,bet/call turn. If u c turn u should be craing it,while it is not a very good option here imho as he can have draws and might c back em and u simply loose vlaue from Kx.

At first his stats and the way hand played made me think like wtf what do u beat and it really looks so but w/e. He is really passive and I expect him to limp lots of broadways from UTG.

DevinLake · 07-09-2009, 12:20 PM

DD, the question is what does that same player bet when checked to. His calling range > his betting range so b/f > c/c. Also, 18/9 is a calling station...just a scared one.

When you c/c the turn...u must think he's floating, on a draw or whatever. So, I'd c/shove before all the draws missed and he's committed now anyway.

But, I'd just bet instead.

gobao · 07-09-2009, 01:33 PM

DL we can;t b/f turn as he is too short imho

DevinLake · 07-09-2009, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gobao

DL we can;t b/f turn as he is too short imho

yea...so b/c it is imo.

dipstikdave · 07-09-2009, 07:55 PM

so many bad cards for you on the river, with stack sizes the way they are overbet shoving the turn isn't bad either.