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Old 01-29-2008, 09:41 PM   #626
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

villain is 32/10/0.7

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Pre Flop: Hero is SB with K K
3 folds, Hero raises to $4, BB raises to $7, Hero raises to $22, BB calls $15

Flop: ($44.00) J Q 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $36, BB calls $36

Turn: ($116.00) 9 (2 players)
Hero ?
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Old 01-29-2008, 09:57 PM   #627
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c/f he has a set
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Old 01-30-2008, 12:43 AM   #628
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Villain is like 45/12 folds to cbet about 50% and has infinite aggression on the turn and river over 74 hands. I think he likes to lead into perceived weakness and bet when checked to. In retrospect I should probably bet the turn and fold to a raise taking a free showdown usually, but given that I check the turn how do we like my river play? I expect he will fold a lot of tens and basically all his other pairs.

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MP: $61.20
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Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 8 7
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3, MP calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) T 8 3 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $9, BB folds, MP calls $9

Turn: ($30.50) 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($30.50) A (2 players)
MP bets $10, Hero raises to $52
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:06 AM   #629
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Villain is 20/0 over 30 hands. I decided not to cbet the flop because he took a strange amount of time before checking which led me to believe he had hit the flop in some way.

Anyone find a raise here somewhere?

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UTG: $97.50
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Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 8 8
3 folds, SB calls $0.50, Hero raises to $4, SB calls $3

Flop: ($8.00) T Q 9 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($8.00) J (2 players)
SB bets $2, Hero calls $2

River: ($12.00) T (2 players)
SB bets $5, Hero calls $5
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:28 AM   #630
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Unconventional line for me.

Villain is 14/6/2.67 and his fold/call/raise cbet #s are 33/33/33 so he likes to make moves and pays some attention to whats going on. I'm at a couple tables with him and have been c-betting a lot.

I think when he checks this dry flop, he is cr'ing a large % of cbets - possibly his whole range that he played preflop this way.

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UTG: $108.05
UTG+1: $149.60
UTG+2: $156.15
MP1: $52.10
Hero (MP2): $100.40
CO: $118.05
BTN: $135.85
SB: $56.55

Pre Flop: Hero is MP2 with A K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $3, UTG+2 calls $3, 1 fold, Hero raises to $14, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls $11, 1 fold

Flop: ($32.50) 5 T 4 (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($32.50) 7 (2 players)
UTG+1 bets $24, Hero raises to $86.40 all in

What do you think of my line?
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:44 AM   #631
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Preflop is pretty iffy I think given how tight his range is UTG+1. I don't think he folds anything he's betting on the turn either.
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:46 AM   #632
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Possible range:

Board: 5d Tc 4s 7h
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equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 54.785% 46.89% 07.89% 1176 198.00 { AhKd }
Hand 1: 45.215% 37.32% 07.89% 936 198.00 { AcAs, AdAs, AhAs, KcKs, KdKs, KhKs, QcQs, QdQs, QhQs, JcJs, JdJs, JhJs, TcTs, TdTs, ThTs, ATs+, KQs, ATo+ }

I see I didn't run that range perfectly, but I don't think I'm much of an underdog, if at all.
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Old 01-30-2008, 02:18 AM   #633
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

That range looks all kinds of screwed up. You're only including half of the possible JJ and QQ hands.

I would also be surprised if a nitty 12/6 FR player was raising AT and AJ UTG+1 and even less likely he's calling a 3bet with them. I'd expect to see TT-QQ here the vast majority of the time.
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

SB is ~40/5/2
BB is ~40/11/0.6

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Hero (UTG+1): $107.00
MP1: $97.50
MP2: $151.00
CO: $111.25

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 4 folds, SB calls $3, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50) 9 4 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $16, BB calls $16, Hero ?
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Old 01-30-2008, 01:42 PM   #635
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SB is ~40/5/2
BB is ~40/11/0.6

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MP1: $97.50
MP2: $151.00
CO: $111.25

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 4 folds, SB calls $3, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($10.50) 9 4 6 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $8, SB raises to $16, BB calls $16, Hero ?
peel one re-evaluate
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Cha -

40/5/2 check minraises you and 40/11/.6 check-calls. Without a more specific read, I want to get it in against both of them. Sure the .6 AF guy slowplays, but he also gets it in with a lot of hands. Check-minraise can be a lot of things, but more often than not he just has a piece and figures he's ahead or wants to test. There are a lot of draws. Some of their *monster* hands like 64 still leave you with reasonable equity.

I'd raise to like $50.
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Old 01-30-2008, 04:13 PM   #637
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40/5/2 check minraises you and 40/11/.6 check-calls. Without a more specific read, I want to get it in against both of them. Sure the .6 AF guy slowplays, but he also gets it in with a lot of hands. Check-minraise can be a lot of things, but more often than not he just has a piece and figures he's ahead or wants to test. There are a lot of draws. Some of their *monster* hands like 64 still leave you with reasonable equity.

I'd raise to like $50.
50 is ~ half my stack, how about shoving?
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

40/5/2 - I feel like I want to give that knucklehead a chance to shove

40/11/.6 - I feel like I want that guy to feel like he has to call

One way or the other.

If they were good players it would be different.

(It's not that 40/5/2 is very aggro, but he's more aggro post than he is pre and he's already check-minraised you, so he might not want to back down.)
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Villain is 47/21/3.0 (<100 hands)
If I bet and get raised, what is your action (on any street)?

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MP: $310.70
CO: $30.80

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with Q A
1 fold, MP raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero raises to $9, 1 fold, MP calls $7

Flop: ($19.00) K K A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

Turn: ($19.00) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP checks

River: ($19.00) 7 (2 players)
Hero bets $9,
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Old 01-31-2008, 01:50 PM   #640
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Mike,

I would bet the flop because I would be betting the flop pretty much with 100% of my range. If I got raised on the flop I would probably call and c/c most turns since this guy looks extremely aggressive postflop and weaker aces should be in his range.

As played I would lead the turn and call a raise mostly likely. He will probably at least call one time now with QQ through TT maybe 99.

As played on the river I think you have to call a normal raise since your hand is now so under-repped.
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Mike,

Flop depends on history, flow, opponent, etc - but I don't think it's a bad flop to check. You could easily check the flop because you have the board crushed and betting is going to fold out a lot of hands that might pay off one or two streets.

That's out the window though if you think he's really likely to felt worse hands of course.

I'd probably go for bets on the turn and the river though.

Getting raised if you bet the flop is pretty crappy because people will do that with air/any ace/underpair as a challenge, and they'll also do it with a King.

If he's real bluffy then I don't mind the turn check. Maybe you were inducing and it just didn't work.

If you've been raising and cbetting a ton preflop, then I like cbetting fine, but you might end up turning your hand into a bluff catcher.

Ok, I dunno, it all depends. I just don't want you to b*tch about people not replying to your hands.
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Mike,

EEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWWWWWWW

ok flop could be a bet or c/c not really that important against a player who you don't have much history with. HOWEVER, the turn is a MUST bet for value twnage. If you're raised on the turn you have a pretty easy call and check/call or c/f on the river.
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Old 01-31-2008, 02:42 PM   #643
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To call or not to call that is teh question imo.

Villain was somthing like 37/16 I think, I was playing fairly aggressively on this table and he was floating most flops.
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BB: $39.25
Hero (UTG): $114.80
MP: $167.15
CO: $92.05
BTN: $207.65
SB: $25.60

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 8 8
Hero raises to $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 4 folds

Flop: ($8.50) 7 6 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, MP calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) T (2 players)
Hero bets $13, MP calls $13

River: ($46.50) Q (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $29




No reads other than he's not a multitabler. If he bets 70%+ pot on the river I think I can confidently lay the hand down, but he didn't.
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CO: $101.00
Hero (BTN): $163.00
SB: $264.15

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 7 A
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.00) 9 7 9 (2 players)
SB bets $7, Hero calls $7

Turn: ($22.00) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $14, Hero calls $14

River: ($50.00) 5 (2 players)
SB bets $28




Both players were unknown. I kind of froze up on the flop as I got bombarded with a bunch of hands on other tables.
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BTN: $80.20
SB: $198.40
Hero (BB): $100.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 4 4
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($4.00) 7 4 6 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $4, UTG calls $4, BTN folds, SB raises to $12, Hero calls $8, UTG calls $8

Turn: ($40.00) Q (3 players)
SB bets $22, Hero calls $22, UTG calls $22

River: ($106.00) 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $65 all in



Villain had been playing pretty aggro and had 3 bet me 5+ times on this and other tables. At the time I had the feeling that he was trying to run me over.
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BTN: $99.50
SB: $94.80
BB: $98.50

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with Q A
Hero raises to $3.50, MP calls $3.50, 3 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($11.00) 9 Q 3 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $8, MP raises to $24, BB folds, Hero calls $16

Turn: ($59.00) T (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $67 all in



Villain is a 2p2er but I haven't played with him much. He knows that I'm 2p2.
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CO: $118.95
Hero (BTN): $218.25

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q K
1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BB raises to $15, 1 fold, Hero calls $10.50

Flop: ($31.50) J 3 Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $21, BB calls $21

Turn: ($73.50) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $65 all in
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

oops forgot one.

Villain is a total fish and somehow has a megastack. I've seen him bluff in spots like this before and my notes on him had a hand where he bet 1/2 pot on the river with air once.
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UTG: $159.15

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 8 J
1 fold, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $4.50, 1 fold, BB calls $3.50, CO calls $3.50

Flop: ($14.00) 3 Q 5 (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10, CO folds

Turn: ($34.00) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: ($34.00) 8 (2 players)
BB bets $34
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cash thread hates the 4th page imo.

Going to play a little 200 today, hope it goes well...
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Old 02-01-2008, 03:50 PM   #646
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Villain is like 45/12 folds to cbet about 50% and has infinite aggression on the turn and river over 74 hands. I think he likes to lead into perceived weakness and bet when checked to. In retrospect I should probably bet the turn and fold to a raise taking a free showdown usually, but given that I check the turn how do we like my river play? I expect he will fold a lot of tens and basically all his other pairs.

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BB: $100.00
UTG: $23.05
MP: $61.20
Hero (CO): $121.80

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with 8 7
1 fold, MP calls $1, Hero raises to $4, 2 folds, BB calls $3, MP calls $3

Flop: ($12.50) T 8 3 (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $9, BB folds, MP calls $9

Turn: ($30.50) 4 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero checks

River: ($30.50) A (2 players)
MP bets $10, Hero raises to $52

does a guy like that fold a better hand though? seems like there may be merit in flatting
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88 hand. Th is a bad card. It completes the flush and a straight draw and is higher than 8.

He didn't just float you once, he floated you twice.

Awfully thin value bet with A7 or less.

So he's either value betting really thin, has you beat, or was planning to float the turn and bluff a river which you could have easily bet first.

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A7 hand. This is probably a bluff often enough.

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44 hand. This board is super coordinated. I'm never just calling after SB raises to $12. Ok, you froze on the flop. Raise the turn. River is an easy push.

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AQ hand

First, it's generally a big leak to think "villain is trying to run me over." He probably is very aggro, but not specifically aiming it at you.

There are a lot of people who play very differently pre and post flop. Either passive, then aggro or vice versa. So watch for that.

There's a good chance he's playing a big hand fast to capitalize on his aggro image, but we don't know him that well, there are so many draws out there it's not even hard for you to be a decent favorite here and you are getting odds.

call.

oh yeah, preflop he 3 bets most of his hands that made sets probably.

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KQo

Just given the info you had, I'd fold to the 3bet pre.

He's taken a weird line. I think he has JJ+ and am leaning towards JJ or QQ. T9, JQ, 88, and AQ are all possible hands that beat you. Air or AdKd are the only hands that you beat?

fold.

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All I'm saying here is get better reads on someone who is a total fish. The "somehow" these fish get big stacks is often because they turn regs into even bigger fish.

If you have 50 hands on this guy, I bet you can go through them on PT and figure out whether this is a call or not.
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Mike,
J9 hand is fine with read.

AJ hand I might fold the flop and as played I cry and call turn and river because he bets so small if I made a real bet I would fold for sure.

Dip,
Check fold for sure.

Blackize,
I would rather call river and hope he has a busted draw, you aren't really repping too much, except your hand looks weak so I raise, I don't expect him to fold a ten. I don't think betting the turn is bad fwiw since he won't fold draws and this guy will probably bluff a lot of his missed draws so building a pot so he can spew shove FD or J9 when he misses is goot.


88 hand I play the same.

Mike,
I don't think the flop check is terrible, but once you check it bet/bet because people will assume you never check an ace. I would maybe bet $30 or so on the river because it looks bluffy.

Gunnip,
With 88 river is an easy fold you don't beat anything. I don't think the turn bet is terrible because villain likes to call a lot, but against certain villain I would just c/f.

A7 hand I play the same and call river since all draws missed and people don't donk 9s.

44 hand three bet the flop fail that shove the turn as played river is goot.

AQ I'm not loving it, but I would call the turn and hope he has a draw. Also to expand on the running you over bit, most guys will start slowing down once they start running you over if they are decent. Of course than you can get in a leveling think he knows I have been running him over, so he expects me to tighten up, so I am going to keep running him over, etc.


KQ hand I would fold preflop and check the flop. What do you do if crais on the flop? He isn't going to c/c all that much. As played I say **** him and call because his line looks retarded, but you are probably beat.

J8s hand fold river if the flop was drawier I would call but you beat weird straight draws like 64 and A2 and pairs turned into bluffs.
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Jgunnip,
88 is a rly easy fold think of worse hands he gets to the river with and than bets. There aren't many

A7 hand OMG SNAP CALLLLL your good like always here

44 hand I normally 3bet the flop but calling is ok as played you really need to ship river

AQ hand is probably a fold but its close a lot of guys check back draws there. TBH i think I just shove flop

KQ hand it depends if hes a nit. I assume he isn't because if he was a nit you'd fold PF I like the flop bet now snap call and hold against his like Akdd or w/e.

J8ss fold he just has very few hands he can turn into bluffs. If he checked river I'd vbet for sure though.
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Blackize,
I would rather call river and hope he has a busted draw, you aren't really repping too much, except your hand looks weak so I raise, I don't expect him to fold a ten. I don't think betting the turn is bad fwiw since he won't fold draws and this guy will probably bluff a lot of his missed draws so building a pot so he can spew shove FD or J9 when he misses is goot.
Yeah I see what you're saying. I'm still not sure how I feel about that river raise, but I do know that I wouldn't make that play if the river was not an ace. Given that I can easily play an ace like that and he seems weak I thought he might fold better 8's and even some 10s.
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