STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

[K䲰䮥n]

Villain is 30/13/3.3 ober 600 datamined hands. Hero has no image (as far as i know).

http://www.holdemranger.com/realtime.html
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754478078

Emanuelsson ($22.63)
b4ifuru17 ($99)
Zappa51 ($166.50)
Firetribe ($124.93)
j4ckj4ck ($86.06)

Emanuelsson posts (SB) $0.50
b4ifuru17 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe T T
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($8.50) 2 8 9
Firetribe bets $6.50
j4ckj4ck calls $6.50

TURN ($21.50) 4
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $12
Firetribe calls $12

RIVER ($45.50) 6
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $25
Firetribe calls $25

[ManChild]

Originally Posted by Foldem78

I would fold this..It's hard to imagine what he could be doing this that doesn't have you beat..(QQ-AA,AKs+...)..

If you had the Ah it might be closer..

if you have the Ah, it takes a fair number of flush draws out of his range (which you are ahead of) , thus making you worse off against his probable range.

[GtrHtr]

the bb is a station, so in a fishbowl without additional information I'd find another table or I'd fold both 63s and K2o and tighten up my range assuming the table is too good to leave.

[GtrHtr]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Villain is 30/13/3.3 ober 600 datamined hands. Hero has no image (as far as i know).

http://www.holdemranger.com/realtime.html
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754478078

Emanuelsson ($22.63)
b4ifuru17 ($99)
Zappa51 ($166.50)
Firetribe ($124.93)
j4ckj4ck ($86.06)

Emanuelsson posts (SB) $0.50
b4ifuru17 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe T T
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($8.50) 2 8 9
Firetribe bets $6.50
j4ckj4ck calls $6.50

TURN ($21.50) 4
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $12
Firetribe calls $12

RIVER ($45.50) 6
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $25
Firetribe calls $25

I dunno, I usually call the river but I think I call too thin on the river tbh, something I'm working on. I think this is a clear fold on the river.

[Pudge714]

Karp hand 1
I wouldn't three bet pre as played flop is a fold probably and it would usually be a c/f except villain play 40% of hands pre.

Hand 2 is a fold most peoples flop calling range are pairs or big diamonds they usually just try to get showdown with pair. I might bet fold the turn and if he calls a turn bet c/f river.

[MikeMcQ1]

This got ignored the last time but I'd really like some thoughts on playing a game like this...

1/2 live uncapped full table. Almost everybody at the table is horrible...loose, passive, calling stations. Half the table will have VPIP of 75-100%, PFR of 0-10%, and standard open-raising for these guys will be $12 minimum. 3-betting is non-existent. And a raised pot will have no less than 3 players, with 3 being extremely rare going to the flop (usually 4-6). The pots do get raised PF quite a bit however.

Most start out with like $100 or even less, but after an hour or two, some of these guys will have $300-$500 behind from the big pots that ensue.

Is there a couple sentences that you could advise on how to maximize your expectation? My PF approach has been this:

Play fairly tight, raise for value; bluff like never; limp behind in position with a lot of hands like small-medium PP, SC even two gappers, especially when the big stacks are in the hand;

Sound good?

Also, I found myself limping behind with AKo (6-7 limpers to me in SB or BB)...it felt really dirty but raising would yeild a 4-5 player hand. Flop checked thru...Check/folding a 8s9s4hKd board when it went bet, raise.

[Foldem78]

Originally Posted by ManChild

if you have the Ah, it takes a fair number of flush draws out of his range (which you are ahead of) , thus making you worse off against his probable range.

Right...for some reason i was thinking hero would have the flush draws..

[Josem]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Initial raiser is a TAG who folds to 3bets 93% of the time. Flat caller is 37/3/2.7 who NEVER 3bets. Sample sizes are 1000k hands. The c/r AI was INSTANT. Checkraise % is 5.

...
Dealt to Firetribe Jc Ad
...

FLOP ($25) 4h Jh 2d
check,
Firetribe bets $18
shakinhands raises all-in to $144.15
Firetribe?

Fold. If you happen to be ahead of a flush draw, you're still going to lose a chunk.

Putting your stack in with just a pair of jacks is not likely to be good.

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Dealt to Firetribe T T
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($8.50) 2 8 9
Firetribe bets $6.50
j4ckj4ck calls $6.50

TURN ($21.50) 4
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $12
Firetribe calls $12

RIVER ($45.50) 6
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $25
Firetribe calls $25

PF is fine; I'd probably bet slightly more on the flop, and check/fold the river.

[MikeMcQ1]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Initial raiser is a TAG who folds to 3bets 93% of the time. Flat caller is 37/3/2.7 who NEVER 3bets. Sample sizes are 1000k hands. The c/r AI was INSTANT. Checkraise % is 5.

http://www.holdemranger.com/realtime.html
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754408509

shakinhands ($154.65)
Edmuntus ($104.50)
Zigauner ($139.55)
Firetribe ($100)
Locutus1 ($95.50)

shakinhands posts (SB) $0.50
Edmuntus posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Jc Ad
Zigauner raises to $3
Firetribe raises to $10.50
fold, call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($25) 4h Jh 2d
check,
Firetribe bets $18
shakinhands raises all-in to $144.15
Firetribe?

Is 3-betting a TAG with AJo standard or is this for your shania I can't call the flop. Can we check behind waiting until a non-<3 turn to continuation bet?

[Josem]

Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1

Is there a couple sentences that you could advise on how to maximize your expectation?

Also, I found myself limping behind with AKo (6-7 limpers to me in SB or BB)...it felt really dirty but raising would yeild a 4-5 player hand. Flop checked thru...Check/folding a 8s9s4hKd board when it went bet, raise.

I'd suggest:
-raise larger amounts than you would online
-get into HU pots with position
-limping behind with AKo is just silliness - put in a big raise.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Initial raiser is a TAG who folds to 3bets 93% of the time. Flat caller is 37/3/2.7 who NEVER 3bets. Sample sizes are 1000k hands. The c/r AI was INSTANT. Checkraise % is 5.

http://www.holdemranger.com/realtime.html
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754408509

shakinhands ($154.65)
Edmuntus ($104.50)
Zigauner ($139.55)
Firetribe ($100)
Locutus1 ($95.50)

shakinhands posts (SB) $0.50
Edmuntus posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Jc Ad
Zigauner raises to $3
Firetribe raises to $10.50
fold, call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($25) 4h Jh 2d
check,
Firetribe bets $18
shakinhands raises all-in to $144.15
Firetribe?

I snap call. You have top top. These guys will over value top pair a tonne here.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by K䲰䮥n

Villain is 30/13/3.3 ober 600 datamined hands. Hero has no image (as far as i know).

http://www.holdemranger.com/realtime.html
NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754478078

Emanuelsson ($22.63)
b4ifuru17 ($99)
Zappa51 ($166.50)
Firetribe ($124.93)
j4ckj4ck ($86.06)

Emanuelsson posts (SB) $0.50
b4ifuru17 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe T T
fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($8.50) 2 8 9
Firetribe bets $6.50
j4ckj4ck calls $6.50

TURN ($21.50) 4
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $12
Firetribe calls $12

RIVER ($45.50) 6
check,
j4ckj4ck bets $25
Firetribe calls $25

I'd fold the river. It's hard to imagine that he'd be doing with with the 7d or 2pr or a set.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by GtrHtr

the bb is a station, so in a fishbowl without additional information I'd find another table or I'd fold both 63s and K2o and tighten up my range assuming the table is too good to leave.

Why would you want to leave the table with the bb being a station? I can see if the sb was too, but I love when the BB is a station cause he'll be most stationy out of the BB and I'll always have position on him.

K2o and 63s are some pretty crap hands. But, I with futuredoc. With a complete calling station I'd rather have the hand that has some high card value. Against people that can fold, i want the hand that gives us more semi-bluffing potential like 63s.

Basically, if I have a very bad player in the BB when I have the Button. I want to play lots of raised post with the villain.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by MikeMcQ1

Play fairly tight, raise for value; bluff like never; limp behind in position with a lot of hands like small-medium PP, SC even two gappers, especially when the big stacks are in the hand;

This seems fine. I'd over limp a lot of unsuited connectors and one gappers as well.

When the game gets deeper though, I tend to play SCs more aggro in position for a couple reasons. One, they play well post flop and will give you lots of semi-bluffing opportunities and second, I don't want to get stacked by Axs of the same suite.

[futuredoc85]

karp check hand 1 against a cold-caller