STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

[futuredoc85]

6-max? Dont ever fold KK preflop for 100bbs at 6Max

[futuredoc85]

Originally Posted by Dr_Jeckyl_00

shoving seems bad imo, he might think you have a better hand then you do, like a set, and could still c/c for pot control w/ a better hand (like QQ-AA, AQ). Why not check behind? What do you think calls your bet, which you beat? I suppose 77-TT is a posibility...

Look at preflop, he doesnt have QQ-AA. Look at the flop and turn, he doesnt have AQ. This is a standard valuebet, considering villain has less than pot behind. What does the Q on the river change?

[futuredoc85]

Originally Posted by ChrisV

On the JJ hand I would check because your hand looks really strong and I dont think anything you beat calls you. I mean, what does he think you call flop and turn with? I dont think you get called much at all actually, but Im a little worried about bluffing hands which spiked a Q on the riv.

A big "meh" at the AT hand, I check I guess since I see little value in betting. Actually what I want to do deep in my soul is check fold, since I think when he bets youre beaten a giant amount of the time. But meh I just check call, maybe he also has AT or has 65 or something who knows.

In both of these hands you are vastly underestimating how bad people play, especially in the JJ hand since villain is a donk, hes never folding 77-TT

[jgunnip]

If anything, a Q pushes the river imo.

[jgunnip]

Originally Posted by futuredoc85

6-max? Dont ever fold KK preflop for 100bbs at 6Max

Yeah I would never fold because **** him I have KK but the CiB 5bet is AA 95% of the time.

[ChrisV]

Yeah I hadnt actually read the reads on the guy in the JJ hand, shove should be fine then since 77-TT will pay. Still not sure what pays off in the AT hand if we bet though.

[jurrasstoil]

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $9.40
Hero (SB): $15.35
BB: $35.45
UTG: $6.25
CO: $10.25

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, UTG calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) K T K (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.30, UTG calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.70) 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($4.70) 6 (2 Players)
Hero ???

So, i played some cash today...

My image is semi-lag (20/18/2 so far) and i have been the most active player at the table.
UTG was 42/30/2 over 30 hands. He flatcalled a CO raise with AQo in the SB and went into check/call mode once his donkbet was raised on the QJ3 flop.

- Is 3betting correct here and is the amount alright or should it be something like 1.20?
- Cbetting the flop okay? (just noticed my cbet was quite small -.- 1.80 would be better i guess?)
- Once he checks the turn behind i don't think he has a king (AK, KQs), so his range is more weighted towards PPs (88-JJ maybe QQ), a T (AT,KTs,QTs,JT) or some kind of combo or flushdraw.
'-> When i check the turn, can i bet the river and expect him to fold better hands ie. some Tens and PPs <JJ. Since turn and river bricked i think he will def fold his missed draws, eventhough i'd like to get called by them...

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by bengiec

what are everyones feelings on the open raise size being, 3x, 3.5x, or 4x ?

i isolate 4x+1bb/limper

i've 3x'd before, and i've 4x'd. it seems like 4x makes pots bigger faster, and isn't that great if you're going to be opening lots of pots, better for the tighter player?

i'm kind of partial to raising 4x UTG/MP and 3x CO/BTN.

SB vs BB it depends on the BB's stats. if he's more likely to call (i'll be raising tighter range) i will 4x and if he's tighter (ill be raising wider range) i will 3x

My opening sizes depend on my table. Tight tables, I open smaller. Against loose player I open larger. Lots of short stacks, I open smaller.

The bigger the donk that is likely to call, the larger I raise. I've isolated as large as 12xbbs.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by sence25

Sample hand, wanna hear some opinions.

Hero(image is solid and tight,at least when UTG, I assume) in UTG opens KK for 3.50, there are 4 folds, BB(hasn't been getting out of line, was pretty tight, some kind of semireg so he's got some idea of the game) repops to 11.

Hero takes some time and makes it 27 - villain clicks it back after a short time.
Obviously hero shoves since he was told never to fold KK preflop, but afterwards hero thinks about what in hell villain could have that he beats?!?!
FWIW, I'm pretty sure he flats AK here mostly, his 3 betting range is probly sth like JJ+.
I probly snapcall a shove here but him clicking it back is just so ****ing strong bleeeh

u have KK. As long as he never folds KK to you...who cares? It's a cooler.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by jgunnip

Villain had some pretty donktastic/maniac stats over a small sample. He callled my UTG raise from the BB w/K4o with another player in and checked down a AK967 board. No other reads. Is the river push too thin? HE had ~103 behind.


Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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BTN: $93.40
SB: $202.85
BB: $169.80
Hero (UTG): $200.00
MP: $271.25
CO: $142.65

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with J J
Hero raises to $3.50, 4 folds, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($7.50) 6 6 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB raises to $25.50, Hero calls $19.50

Turn: ($58.50) 5 (2 players)
BB bets $37, Hero calls $37

River: ($132.50) Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $134 all in

I'd usually try to get it in on the flop so that no cards can come to till your action.

As played, I like it...

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by xPeru

This was my most interesting hand today: I don't want to learn the wrong thing from it.


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
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BTN: $43.70
Hero (SB): $54.40
BB: $81.40
CO: $52.75

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with 9 8
CO raises to $2, BTN calls $2, Hero calls $1.75, 1 fold

CO is 28/19/4 and is c-betting 100% over 70ish hands. Btn is a huge fish playing fit or fold, VPIP 50%, AF 2. 99% of the time I fold here, but I was 5 tabling and felt massively confident in how the hand would play. I was sure CO would c-bet any flop, and Bn would fold unless he hit. So I decided to check raise the c-bet regardless of flop if Bn folded. Sure as eggs is eggs ...

Flop: ($6.50) 2 4 J (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $5, BTN folds, Hero raises to $15, CO folds

Question: Is this move the sort of move I should be making, or am I at risk of FPS? To be precise, is my poker thinking developing correctly or am I taking a wrong turn?

It's not terrible simply for the fact that he's cbetting so often. But, it's obviously not the idea spot. I'd rather it be HU, and I'd rather have some over or a back door draw.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by futuredoc85

In both of these hands you are vastly underestimating how bad people play, especially in the JJ hand since villain is a donk, hes never folding 77-TT

Sometimes I just like to bet and let them decide what worse hands they can call me with. I know how many worse hands they call me with when I don't bet.

[DevinLake]

Originally Posted by jurrasstoil

Poker Stars, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter

BTN: $9.40
Hero (SB): $15.35
BB: $35.45
UTG: $6.25
CO: $10.25

Pre-Flop: A Q dealt to Hero (SB)
UTG raises to $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1, BB folds, UTG calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.10) K T K (2 Players)
Hero bets $1.30, UTG calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.70) 2 (2 Players)
Hero checks, UTG checks

River: ($4.70) 6 (2 Players)
Hero ???

So, i played some cash today...

My image is semi-lag (20/18/2 so far) and i have been the most active player at the table.
UTG was 42/30/2 over 30 hands. He flatcalled a CO raise with AQo in the SB and went into check/call mode once his donkbet was raised on the QJ3 flop.

- Is 3betting correct here and is the amount alright or should it be something like 1.20? 3betting or calling is fine. I'd 3bet a guy with a 42 vpip simply because he will call with worse a lot, so it's for straight value.
- Cbetting the flop okay? (just noticed my cbet was quite small -.- 1.80 would be better i guess?)Against a decent player, I'd just check and try to get to showdown. Here, I like the cbet and it's size on this textured board.
- Once he checks the turn behind i don't think he has a king (AK, KQs), so his range is more weighted towards PPs (88-JJ maybe QQ), a T (AT,KTs,QTs,JT) or some kind of combo or flushdraw.
'-> When i check the turn, can i bet the river and expect him to fold better hands ie. some Tens and PPs <JJ. Since turn and river bricked i think he will def fold his missed draws, eventhough i'd like to get called by them...

Basically with the bet-check-bet line is terrible as a bluff. They look you up so light, because it's the last bet they have to call and it's not super expensive. I'd usually just check/fold this river. If he snap bets the river, I'd think about calling because there are a lot of missed draws.

[xPeru]

What's the difference between how a LAG plays post flop and a TAG? Both are Ag, so ...

[sence25]

Originally Posted by xPeru

What's the difference between how a LAG plays post flop and a TAG? Both are Ag, so ...

well LAG's range is usually far wider, also he's gotta vbet thinner to make his style work out