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Old 12-22-2007, 04:08 PM   #256
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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I bet the turn with AK because you have the best hand like always and he can pot control a lot of his weak hands but will call with stupid **** a lot because people are bad. He can also peel the flop with Ace high, I just think its a very easy vbet tbh. As played I fold river that 1/2 pot overpot line is so huge.

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I'd bet more on the flop so I can shove any turn with a diamond. As played for sure shove the villain is pretty lose and will fold a lot here. I expect him to have stuff like 33-88 fairly often as well has AT and stuff. He can prob even float this flop with AQ or w/e

For the JJ hand I don't 3bet pf... againt a villain with those stats its pretty bad to 3bet an UTG raiser. As played your postflop line is pretty good.

Jbrochu,
I like every street river is very close... it depends how often he bets turn with a fd because I think hes shoving this river with his whole range.
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Old 12-22-2007, 04:26 PM   #257
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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One problem with not raising the turn is you get no more money from flush draws if they miss on the river.
Cha, I thought a lot of villains will bluff shove the river on a missed draw.

I contemplated raising the turn but due to his stack size the only raise that would make sense would be to shove. I figured he might correctly get away from a flush draw if I shoved because he would only be getting about 2.2-to-1 with one card to come on a paired board, but maybe I gave him too much credit.
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Old 12-22-2007, 04:45 PM   #258
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NL100: Medium Pair in the BB Facing Button Open

This is probably a basic situation but I'm not certain I'm playing these spots correctly OOP.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $102.80
CO: $9.90
BTN: $68.65
SB: $131.15
Hero (BB): $112.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 8 8
2 folds, BTN raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 9 5 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($16.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($16.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

I've been playing a little tighter than normal due to the table conditions. Something like 17/15 or so.

Villain was 43/19/1 with an ATS of 40% but only over 42 hands. I saw him play a hand earlier when he called a tight players 3-bet with AQo.

My main question is preflop. I know my hand is ahead of his opening range. However, I'm pretty sure he's going to happily call with most of his range and now I have to play a difficult spot OOP. He might also 4-bet and I would have to fold.

Sometimes against a tight "fit or fold" type player I will lead out at this flop, but against a relatively passive loose player I think checking might be best. Would like to know if people thinking donking into this flop is best.

Thoughts on all streets would be appreciated.
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:26 PM   #259
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Button: $79.20
SB: $75.65
BB: $206.00
UTG: $60.60
CO: $50.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero raises to $2, CO folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB folds.

Flop: ($6.50) 3, J, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.25, Button calls $3.25, SB calls $3.25.

Turn: ($16.25) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13.55, Button folds, SB calls $13.55.

River: ($43.35) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $43.35

Am I a donk for not betting the river here?
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:30 PM   #260
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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This is probably a basic situation but I'm not certain I'm playing these spots correctly OOP.


Poker Stars $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG: $102.80
CO: $9.90
BTN: $68.65
SB: $131.15
Hero (BB): $112.30

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 8 8
2 folds, BTN raises to $3, 1 fold, Hero calls $2

Flop: ($6.50) 9 5 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $5, Hero calls $5

Turn: ($16.50) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($16.50) J (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $6, Hero calls $6

I've been playing a little tighter than normal due to the table conditions. Something like 17/15 or so.

Villain was 43/19/1 with an ATS of 40% but only over 42 hands. I saw him play a hand earlier when he called a tight players 3-bet with AQo.

My main question is preflop. I know my hand is ahead of his opening range. However, I'm pretty sure he's going to happily call with most of his range and now I have to play a difficult spot OOP. He might also 4-bet and I would have to fold.

Sometimes against a tight "fit or fold" type player I will lead out at this flop, but against a relatively passive loose player I think checking might be best. Would like to know if people thinking donking into this flop is best.

Thoughts on all streets would be appreciated.

I play it the PF for the same reasons. I wonder if there's any value in river bet? Or if as the PF raiser villain villan make one more effort on the pot...?


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Button: $79.20
SB: $75.65
BB: $206.00
UTG: $60.60
CO: $50.00

Preflop: Hero is UTG with A, A
Hero raises to $2, CO folds, Button calls $2, SB calls $1.75, BB folds.

Flop: ($6.50) 3, J, 7 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3.25, Button calls $3.25, SB calls $3.25.

Turn: ($16.25) 5 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $13.55, Button folds, SB calls $13.55.

River: ($43.35) 3 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $43.35

Am I a donk for not betting the river here?

I think you missed a value bet. You would had heard of him by now if you were behind. That 3 did not help him.
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:42 PM   #261
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
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SB: $49.25
BB: $50.00
UTG: $51.60
CO: $51.25
Button: $63.95

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, K
Hero calls $0.50, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) J, 9, 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB raises to $7.50, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $3.75


Is this an easy fold with no read?
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Old 12-22-2007, 06:48 PM   #262
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Full Tilt Poker $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
Hand Converter Tool from DeucesCracked.com

SB: $49.25
BB: $50.00
UTG: $51.60
CO: $51.25
Button: $63.95

Preflop: Hero is UTG with J, K
Hero calls $0.50, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.25) J, 9, 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.25, BB raises to $7.50, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $3.75


Is this an easy fold with no read?
Preflop that's a fold for me 100% of the time unless the table is 4 handed and then I'll play it but come in for a raise.

As played it's a tough spot because you might be way behind and if you're ahead its probably not by much.
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Old 12-22-2007, 07:01 PM   #263
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

thank jbrochu and hard to spell name
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Old 12-22-2007, 07:59 PM   #264
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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CO: $44.65
Hero (BTN): $200.40
SB: $154.55
BB: $394.50
UTG: $274.90

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6

Flop: ($24.00) 4 T 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16, BB folds

Turn: ($56.00) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $38, Hero raises to $176.40 all in


villain is a 40/10/passive type over my small sample at the table.

i think he has a lot of fd's here sometimes when he wants to be making a bluff. what is everyones thought process here, when the guy makes a donk on the turn like this.
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Old 12-22-2007, 08:51 PM   #265
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Poker Stars $1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $44.65
Hero (BTN): $200.40
SB: $154.55
BB: $394.50
UTG: $274.90

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6

Flop: ($24.00) 4 T 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16, BB folds

Turn: ($56.00) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $38, Hero raises to $176.40 all in


villain is a 40/10/passive type over my small sample at the table.

i think he has a lot of fd's here sometimes when he wants to be making a bluff. what is everyones thought process here, when the guy makes a donk on the turn like this.
if he's passive, even over a small sample, i give him credit for a made hand. they rarely ever bet draws, and they love to call. i would fold, as you don't beat anything he would bet here.
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Old 12-22-2007, 08:58 PM   #266
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

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Poker Stars $1.00/$2.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $44.65
Hero (BTN): $200.40
SB: $154.55
BB: $394.50
UTG: $274.90

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with J 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $8, SB calls $7, BB calls $6

Flop: ($24.00) 4 T 7 (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $16, SB calls $16, BB folds

Turn: ($56.00) 4 (2 players)
SB bets $38, Hero raises to $176.40 all in


villain is a 40/10/passive type over my small sample at the table.

i think he has a lot of fd's here sometimes when he wants to be making a bluff. what is everyones thought process here, when the guy makes a donk on the turn like this.

I can never quite tell what those 40/10 types are going to do so I generally avoid trying to bluff them off a hand. I think you're correct that flush draws are in his range when he donks (along with the made flush sometimes), but I think some medium pairs are as well and he's the type of player that will call preflop with 88 or 99 and somehow find a way to call your shove.

He could also have something like AT with the Ace of spades and he's not folding that either.


* I'll add the disclaimer that I only just started playing NL100 where straightforward play is usually prudent
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Old 12-22-2007, 09:10 PM   #267
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Re: STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

Jbrochu,
That 88 hand is pretty standard, I would def 3bet sometimes.
Bengiec,
Passive guy betting there I think shoving sucks.... You are drawing to a 7 or a 4 a lot when he calls. If I were to continue I would call turn call all non spade rivers.
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Old 12-23-2007, 04:46 AM   #268
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100nl is so swingy compared to 50nl. Also all the 17/15 tags have turned into 22/19 tags. Need to get comfortable 3betting more and playing 3bet pots. I did win a 400bb pot w/ tp2k, that was fun
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Old 12-23-2007, 08:04 AM   #269
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Villain is 15/13 reg. He 3bets from late position 3%. Overall 3bet is 6%. Sample size is 1k hands. He knows who I am. I'm a real nit when it comes to calling 3bets OOP. I dont know if he knows this.


snaiman7 ($35)
janlek59540 ($134.62)
Firetribe ($108.05)
RSummanen ($93.95)
lmpulseKid ($99)

snaiman7 posts (SB) $0.50
janlek59540 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Js Jc
Firetribe raises to $4
fold,
lmpulseKid raises to $13
fold, fold,
Firetribe?

If I call I will be uncomfortable in almost all flops (even with an overpair).
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Old 12-23-2007, 09:21 AM   #270
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100nl is so swingy compared to 50nl. Also all the 17/15 tags have turned into 22/19 tags. Need to get comfortable 3betting more and playing 3bet pots. I did win a 400bb pot w/ tp2k, that was fun
Agree that getting comfortable with three betting and four betting sometimes light is a big part of moving up at the games today.
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