STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

[wiggs73]

yeah i'm with inyaface this time... i like the 77 hand (including preflop) and i'd check turn


The A3 hand, yeah I think I like that oen so far too... river's a tough spot. all i can say is i wouldn't be overly worried about a draw. i think the decision is between shoving and check/folding, if that makes sense.

ton of help i know. A+ post. pat on back...

going to bed now.

[bengiec]

Originally Posted by DevinLake

I was watching a video last night by bobbofitos and he was in this same spot with 77, and was in disbelief people fold it to 3-bets (which I often do )BTN vs blinds. So, I guess I have to call here. Problem is, I'm going to be in a lot of iffy spots postflop with it. Anyway, here we go.

Villain is 17/12/5 after 500 hands or so.

Party Poker $600 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked

SB: $754.89
BB: $920.80
UTG: $683.00
CO: $624.00
Hero (BTN): $614.25

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with 7 7
2 folds, Hero raises to $21, 1 fold, BB raises to $77, Hero calls $56

Flop: ($157.00) 2 9 8 (2 players)
BB bets $110, Hero calls $110 (if you call here, what's ur plan?)

Turn: ($377.00) 4 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ????

lol ok here we go devin.

pf is a fold. call the flop. check behind on the turn.

[bengiec]

Originally Posted by DevinLake

SB is a monkey. He's not relevant to this hand.
MP is a regular. I don't have any notes on him, which means he's never done anything note worthy or out of the ordinary imo. He's 20/15/2.90.

Party Poker $600 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players
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Hero (UTG): $708.00
MP: $1395.75
CO: $855.00
BTN: $596.95
SB: $116.00
BB: $600.00

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with 3 A
Hero raises to $21, MP calls $21, 2 folds, SB calls $18, 1 fold

Flop: ($69.00) 9 A 3 (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $55, MP calls $55, SB calls $55

Turn: ($234.00) T (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $200 (do you pot control here?, can u pot control?), MP calls $200, SB calls $40 all in (note side pot)

River: ($674.00) 4 (3 players - 1 is all in)
Hero ????

allin.

i would fold preflop

or if villain is aggressive(spewy) c/r andor c/c the river.

imo no reason to PC. only rason to pc would be if an ace hit on the turn. even then pc is meh. you have the two pair combo. they have AJ all day.

[cha59]

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
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MP1: $99.90
MP2: $99.00
CO: $49.55
BTN: $17.65
SB: $100.00
BB: $80.00
Hero (UTG): $100.00
UTG+1: $61.45
UTG+2: $45.50

Pre Flop: Hero is UTG with A Q
Hero raises to $3.50, 2 folds, MP1 calls $3.50, 2 folds, BTN calls $3.50, 1 fold, BB calls $2.50

Flop: ($14.50) A 3 5 (4 players)
BB bets $8, Hero raises to $28, MP1 raises to $96.40 all in, BTN folds, BB folds, Hero ?

No reads at all. This is the 1st orbit and I have no hands on this guy.

[cha59]

Full Tilt Poker $0.50/$1 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players
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Hero (BB): $188.00
UTG: $88.20
UTG+1: $101.00
MP1: $50.95
MP2: $34.00
CO: $24.90
BTN: $59.00
SB: $76.85

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with J J
3 folds, MP2 raises to $3.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50, SB calls $3, Hero raises to $18, MP2 raises to $34 all in, BTN calls $30.50, 1 fold, Hero ?

I have < 10 hands on both of these guys. Their stack sizes are the issue here.

[wuwei]

Cha,

I have no idea what you're thinking about in the JJ hand.

AQ is a little brutal with no reads, but I just muck it.

[wuwei]

Originally Posted by Jbrochu

I'm not totally confident in this but think as played I would just shove the flop.

In general, this plan blows because you get it in soooooo bad most of the time when he calls.

[wuwei]

Devin,

Tough hands, and I don't think I have great answers.

A3s hand, I put him on an ace I can beat and shove. I don't really feel good about it, though.

77 hand, I would check the turn most of the time. I think the trick in these spots is balancing your turn action for the times you have 77, the times you have KQ, and the times you have 99. So, I think you have to bet this part of the time, but perhaps this is one of those spots where balancing just isn't necessary.... I don't know.

[wiggs73]

cha i would just call flop in the AQ hand, i don't think raising that flop is great, esp multiway. as played i think you gotta fold.

the JJ hand, eh, just ship it

[Inyaface]

Cha,
If you are raising the flop you should be snap calling a shove.
2nd hand,
UMMMM you have JJ vs a 35 and 59 bb stack
Ship it in and be happy about it. Again if you don't know what to after you squeeze (aka snap turbo insta get it in) don't squeeze.

[wuwei]

Originally Posted by Inyaface

Cha,
If you are raising the flop you should be snap calling a shove.

Did you catch that it's MP who shoved and not the guy who lead into the field?

[wiggs73]

fwiw, i don't think raising that flop necessitates a call.

i think we're damn far behind and i don't see the need to compound 1 mistake with another. but obv i'd love to hear any further thoughts you have. i assume it comes down to math... pot is so big that we'll be ahead/suck out enough to call?

idk man, but after dude cold 3bet shoves a flop that dry i'm not liking our hand at all.

[Inyaface]

Wuwei and Wiggs,
My bad
foldo. Didn't see the 3 bet was cold. Timing/stats could make it a call. That being said unless I was raising to induce a shove in a HU pot I would almost always call the flop when led into.

[Jbrochu]

Originally Posted by wuwei

In general, this plan blows because you get it in soooooo bad most of the time when he calls.

In general, I agree with you.

But I don't really like calling the flop either. Even though I respectfully admit all the responders agreeing with the flop call are more experienced and better players than me.

I just think if we're going to call a 3-bet preflop here without implied odds to hit a set from a guy that's 17/12/5 -- at a limit where those kind of numbers are indicative of very tight straightforward play -- we must be lagging it up enough to feel like he's able to play back at us very wide. Otherwise calling preflop doesn't make any sense even if it is BTN vs. blinds.

So if we feel like he's adjusted enough to us here that calling the 3-bet preflop is correct because of how lag we've been, then we just flopped one of the best flops for our hands. He's also probably c-betting 100% of his 3-bet range on this flop.

I understand the concept of keeping him in here possibly giving him a chance to bluff with worse hands, but I think it needs to be balanced against giving free cards plus the fact that most turns and rivers are going to be scary and we might get bluffed off the best hand by the river. I guess if we're not going to let ourselves get bluffed off our hand we will also end up calling down and losing fairly often, sometimes after being sucked out on.

I guess I'm saying I have no idea how to play this situation probably because I'm not lag enough nor experienced enough at this point.

[Jbrochu]

Originally Posted by wiggs73

cha i would just call flop in the AQ hand, i don't think raising that flop is great, esp multiway. as played i think you gotta fold.

the JJ hand, eh, just ship it

I agree 100% with these lines.