STTF SNG -> Cash Thread #2

[Josem]

I was ordered to make a new thread.


And to start it off, a slightly theoretical discussion to settle an argument:

You are on the button. Effective stack sizes are 100bb, in a SSNL cash game.

The small blind plays 29/9. The big blind plays 43/20. All players fold to you on the button.

In this theoretical situation, you have a choice of your cards - you can either have (a) K2o or (b) 63s. Which do you choose? (or option C - it doesn't matter 'cause you fold either way)

[futuredoc85]

depends much more on how they play post-flop imo

[cakewalk]

Originally Posted by futuredoc85

depends much more on how they play post-flop imo

the hands we raise should be reflective of how villain plays post flop ?

[futuredoc85]

if someone is a calling station post-flop, K2o is much better than 63s. if they are only calling flop bets w/ top pair+, 63s is better

[ManChild]

Originally Posted by futuredoc85

if someone is a calling station post-flop, K2o is much better than 63s. if they are only calling flop bets w/ top pair+, 63s is better

if someone is a calling station postflop, (and probably based on that doesn't fold PF), opening K2o in the first place is probably not a great idea

unless I guess they never fold and you can really value town then hard as **** when you flop TP with your king, but based on that, you pretty much have to hit a king to win the pot

[futuredoc85]

well there were only 2 hands to choose from...

[ManChild]

Originally Posted by futuredoc85

well there were only 2 hands to choose from...

yeah, but one of the options was 'or should I just fold'

[The4thFilm]

I guess I'm not cut out for cash...I don't have near the balls to play either with stacks so deep.

[futuredoc85]

oh well id still raise K2o even if they call down w/ any pair

[cakewalk]

damn i raise 63s but not k2o

[ManChild]

Originally Posted by futuredoc85

oh well id still raise K2o even if they call down w/ any pair

so if you raise, and miss, are you cbetting most flops against this guy who calls down with any pair, and if so, is it somewhat for meta-game, or do you think its purely +EV in itself

[Josem]

i raise K2o but not 63s.

I figure these factors make both +EV:
a) I'm on button (losses minimised, wins maximised)
b) There is equity from winning the blinds
c) Neither player re-raises often enough to cost me money
d) The cbet is going to win me a heap of pots

Some other things I consider:
e) Hitting top pair is likely to make me win the hand at showdown
f) flops that we both miss I will win courtesy of (d)
g) some flops that villain misses (such as when he calls with 77 and board comes 9TQ) I will win courtesy of (d)
h) when flop comes K72 and villain has something like 78+ and 88-JJ I'll win a showdown if villain calls my cbet
i) since I know my hand won't stand much pressure, I'm not likely to lose a big pot to a larger kicker.
j) the big pots that K2 loses involve 2pair v 2pair, and they're very rare

[ManChild]

Originally Posted by Josem

i raise K2o but not 63s.

I figure these factors make both +EV:
a) I'm on button (losses minimised, wins maximised)
b) There is equity from winning the blinds
c) Neither player re-raises often enough to cost me money
d) The cbet is going to win me a heap of pots

Some other things I consider:
e) Hitting top pair is likely to make me win the hand at showdown
f) flops that we both miss I will win courtesy of (d)
g) some flops that villain misses (such as when he calls with 77 and board comes 9TQ) I will win courtesy of (d)
h) when flop comes K72 and villain has something like 78+ and 88-JJ I'll win a showdown if villain calls my cbet
i) since I know my hand won't stand much pressure, I'm not likely to lose a big pot to a larger kicker.
j) the big pots that K2 loses involve 2pair v 2pair, and they're very rare

depending on their postflop play d) may not be true, the 40/23 could have a very high wtsd, and a very low fold to cbet

[K䲰䮥n]

Initial raiser is a TAG who folds to 3bets 93% of the time. Flat caller is 37/3/2.7 who NEVER 3bets. Sample sizes are 1000k hands. The c/r AI was INSTANT. Checkraise % is 5.

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NL Holdem $1(BB) I-Poker Game#754408509

shakinhands ($154.65)
Edmuntus ($104.50)
Zigauner ($139.55)
Firetribe ($100)
Locutus1 ($95.50)

shakinhands posts (SB) $0.50
Edmuntus posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Jc Ad
Zigauner raises to $3
Firetribe raises to $10.50
fold, call, fold, fold,

FLOP ($25) 4h Jh 2d
check,
Firetribe bets $18
shakinhands raises all-in to $144.15
Firetribe?

[Foldem78]

I would fold this..It's hard to imagine what he could be doing this that doesn't have you beat..(QQ-AA,AKs+...)..

If you had the Ah it might be closer..