HU cash is fun times imo.

thanks man. thats a good point that I completely overlooked. Based on that and the fact I have seen him run a few 3 barrel bluffs, its a pretty standard call. I dont think also that he bets that river so big with an ace if he wanted a call.

UTG is 27/17 but only 30 hands or so...no reads on shorty.

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Hero (SB): $249.40
BB: $23.65
UTG: $93.20
MP: $26.80
CO: $190.60
BTN: $62.35

Pre Flop: Hero is SB with J A
UTG calls $1, 3 folds, Hero raises to $5, BB calls $4, UTG calls $4

Flop: ($15.00) A 9 6 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $5, UTG raises to $15, Hero calls $15, BB calls $10

Turn: ($60.00) K (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks

River: ($60.00) 3 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $3.65 all in, UTG calls $3.65, Hero...

Can I raise the river after this action for value? If so, how much?
Also, how's flop?

Mike please just bet the flop for a lot of reasons.
As played I would bet like 35 on the river probably and as played I made make it like 35-40 or something.

BB has a busted club draw 75% of the time or less often a random A maybe Ac, who knows what the other guy has, but the lack of a sidepot really hurts you here. Also you've set things up with your flop play or lack of flop play to fly blind the rest of the hand.

I don't hate generally speaking playing an A high flop with AJ for pot control, but not on this board (on the flop).

As played on the river - I have no idea what to do. Most likely I'd try for some donkish raise just to get a sidepot going but with his bizarro call there I'm not sure he's calling.

Hows this against a very tricky post flop player who runs 32/20 but rarely 3bets (like 2% from the blinds).



Scarfmaster ($122.55)
Bobby112233 ($105.90)
aaronb22 ($72.60)
guezjerem ($69.78)
Firetribe ($102.60)

Scarfmaster posts (SB) $0.50
Bobby112233 posts (BB) $1

Dealt to Firetribe Q Q
fold, fold,
Firetribe raises to $3.50
fold,
Bobby112233 raises to $10
Firetribe call,

FLOP ($20.50) 5 A 2
check, check,

TURN ($20.50) 5
Bobby112233 bets $10
Firetribe calls $10

RIVER ($40.50) A
Bobby112233 bets $27
Firetribe calls $27

And tricky does not always equal good.

I like it karp.

Is his bet sizing a tell at the site you play? On FTP I've run into some players who alway 3bet pot unless they have AA/KK where they'll 3bet smaller. If you think he's capable of betting at least JJ and TT on the river here you have a call I think, but it just seems like he's trying to get value out of JJ-KK

That 3bet sizing without a previous read has lead me into very bad misreads so i didnt want to use it here.

And the betsizes post flop were a mystery since he was on all different gears/FPSs.

The flop was a big concern for me. Obviously I'm loving getting it in vs the shorty, and his presence affected my decision. I wanted a bet from one of the other two, but when it went bet-raise, it really threw me and almost thought I should be folding. I checked for pot control, but would have raised if it went bet-call. I called because UTG could be raising Ax isolating the shorty.

Pudge thinks I should lead the river. I thought I could raise after it went shorty bet-call as I would be raising as a value bet...it's like I checked, and then it went check-check, and I had a second option. I wouldn't raise hoping a better hand would fold, but a worse hand would call. So the raise was essentially the size of a value bet -- $25.

If I lead flop and get raised by UTG, do I continue? Does it matter if shorty called my lead? It seems the presence of short-stacks rattles me.

UTG is isolating the shorty for some reason after limping. That would raise my eyebrows a bit. w/o a read the only reason I can see utg limping here running like that 27/17 or whatever is either he is an idiot or he is pretty bright and wants to induce the shorty w/ a big hand. That is why to me, leading the flop here is best with a plan of b/f flop or b/c folding on the turn. So to answer your question, I would b/f here if raised by utg based on my enlightened comments (to me anyway) ref his potential tricky limp utg.

dunno how to handle overbets imo

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BB: $224.00
UTG: $113.50
Hero (MP): $359.65
CO: $200.00
BTN: $194.00
SB: $48.00

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with A T
1 fold, Hero raises to $6, 3 folds, BB calls $4

Flop: ($13.00) 4 T 5 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $10, BB calls $10

Turn: ($33.00) 4 (2 players)
BB bets $28, Hero calls $28

River: ($89.00) 3 (2 players)
BB bets $180 all in, Hero folds

kleath, I think you played the hand well.

Kleath,
That is fine, against certain people turn could be a fold, but call is fine. River isn't close imo and I would probably fold to a lot of non-overbets.

Kleath, this is very difficult spot imo.

The line he takes up to and including the turn donk, is typically weak when the turn is a blank. The 4 kinda seems like a blank to me. But, you didn't provide any reads on how often this guy is defending his BB.

Usually an overbet shove, unless proven otherwise, is a monster. But, I don't get his line unless he has exactly 44 or 55. 67 would make sense to me, if he didn't donk the turn.

Basically, it'd come down to how aggro he is and if he could be doing this with busted diamonds. People often bluff when a board pairs, so it's possible he took this line with a fd. However, if he's been reasonable post flop I'd probably just fold.

+1

Here are a few hands from the past couple of days that I noted while playing.

1. no reads on villain, either I just sat down, no hands either.

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UTG: $108.40
MP: $126.50
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $92.70
SB: $54.90
BB: $130.10

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K J
UTG calls $1, 1 fold, Hero raises to $4.50, 2 folds, BB calls $3.50, 1 fold

Flop: ($10.50) Q 3 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $7.50, BB calls $7.50

Turn: ($25.50) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, BB raises to $55



2. Villain was 40/20 over not a lot of hands. Comments on flop and turn. On the flop I felt folding was weak with the overcard and gutshot and backdoor flush draw in position against a bad player, especially since he could be minraising with something silly like middle or bottom pair and would look to check it down if I called. Again on the turn I felt like I couldn't fold since I picked up the FD, thought about shoving but I didn't think I had much FE against this play with his bet size and if I hit either draw it won't be obvious and I can probably stack him.

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SB: $110.55
BB: $98.50
UTG: $473.45
Hero (CO): $100.00
BTN: $133.65

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with A Q
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, SB calls $3, 1 fold

Flop: ($8.00) 5 T K (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $5.75, SB raises to $11.50, Hero calls $5.75

Turn: ($31.00) 6 (2 players)
SB bets $25, Hero calls $25

River: ($81.00) 3 (2 players)
SB bets $70.55 all in, Hero folds



3. Villain is 18/14 but I don't regard him as a tough thinking player. I had just watched a vid on DC and was messing around with weird bet sizes.

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BB: $276.15
UTG: $105.60
CO: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $274.70
SB: $99.00

Pre Flop: Hero is BTN with Q K
2 folds, Hero raises to $3.50, SB raises to $12.50, 1 fold, Hero calls $9

Flop: ($26.00) 9 2 K (2 players)
SB bets $17, Hero calls $17

Turn: ($60.00) 4 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17, SB calls $17

River: ($94.00) 5 (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $17



4. Villain is a fish. I like to call fish down light especially when I get a good price.

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BTN: $147.05
SB: $102.80
BB: $242.25
UTG: $81.25
Hero (MP): $101.50
CO: $101.50

Pre Flop: Hero is MP with J J
1 fold, Hero raises to $3.50, 1 fold, BTN calls $3.50, 2 folds

Flop: ($8.50) K 8 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $6, BTN calls $6

Turn: ($20.50) A (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN checks

River: ($20.50) 6 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $7, Hero calls $7



5. Villain is 17/12.

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MP: $63.65
CO: $40.00
BTN: $191.20
SB: $96.50
Hero (BB): $175.25
UTG: $97.75

Pre Flop: Hero is BB with 9 J
2 folds, CO checks, BTN calls $1, SB calls $0.50, Hero checks

Flop: ($3.00) J K 9 (4 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, CO calls $3, BTN raises to $12, SB folds, Hero ???

jg,

1. Not that I always fold here, but I think it's a fold. The flop is a good flop for cbetting because it's hard to hit, and villain folds a lot. That means when they call they ususally hit something. Turn is scary for him if he has like QT or something, but he's not scared. His bet sizing is very normal, which is not a good sign for you. I think it's too often a flopped set or KQ.

2. The call on the turn can't really be bad. You're probably a 2 to 1 dog or so and you're getting better than 2 to 1 without considering implied odds and you have very good implied odds because your draws are not too obvious and he could have a strong hand. Both draws are to the nuts so no reverse implied. (except a club possibly filling him up)

3. I set out to reply to all 5, but my kids won't let me.

jg,

on quick look, you are in marginal spots on most when the significant action occurs. #2 I'd play pretty much the same. #1 is a shove except for the fact that he has 2 pr there like always. Soooo,

1 fold the river
2. good
3. reraise the flop always
4. fold the river but whatever
5. fold or shove

gtrhtr, Hand 3 seems like a wawb spot. If I raise he's folding all hands i beat except maybe QQ. He can't have AQhh here since I have the Qh.

jg,

I think hand 3 is tough because you should have folded preflop unless you had some reason to believe this 18/14 was raising lightish out of the blinds. Does he ever 3 bet KJ or KT? If not, KQ is going to be dominated too often and in a 3 bet pot when you want to be able to be confidently aggressive most of the time you hit. amirite?

With the weird bet sizing on the turn I guess/hope you were going to call a raise? Is that what you wanted? I think I like betting at least $30 and hoping for him to either be a station with JJ or TT or pay too much with something like AhJx.

Hand 4 I think is very standard. You called one little bet. Unless you know his tendencies very well, this might even be worth it for information, and you are certainly not 100% to be behind.

Hand 5 is tough because you are so deep. He can easily have a strong draw/combo draw (though your 9s takes away some combo draws) that is willing to get it all in here. So raising, when you really can't call a 4 bet isn't good I think. He could also have a made straight or a better 2-pair. I think I have to cop out and say call and re-eval. There could be a lot of reasons for him to slow down on the turn.

Is there much of a possibility he has air here? If not, QT, KJ, J9, T8 (maybe just Ts8s too), 8s7s ?

jg,

I think hand 3 is tough because you should have folded preflop unless you had some reason to believe this 18/14 was raising lightish out of the blinds. Does he ever 3 bet KJ or KT? If not, KQ is going to be dominated too often and in a 3 bet pot when you want to be able to be confidently aggressive most of the time you hit. amirite?

With the weird bet sizing on the turn I guess/hope you were going to call a raise? Is that what you wanted? I think I like betting at least $30 and hoping for him to either be a station with JJ or TT or pay too much with something like AhJx.

Hand 4 I think is very standard. You called one little bet. Unless you know his tendencies very well, this might even be worth it for information, and you are certainly not 100% to be behind.

Hand 5 is tough because you are so deep. He can easily have a strong draw/combo draw (though your 9s takes away some combo draws) that is willing to get it all in here. So raising, when you really can't call a 4 bet isn't good I think. He could also have a made straight or a better 2-pair. I think I have to cop out and say call and re-eval. There could be a lot of reasons for him to slow down on the turn.

Is there much of a possibility he has air here? If not, QT, KJ, J9, T8 (maybe just Ts8s too), 8s7s, KT, KQ, QJ ?

I'm an idiot but I did say I only made a quick look, so yeah fold to the 3 bet pf which in my haste I missed.

villain is 22/11/1.3 over 300 hands.

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BTN: $75.55
SB: $62.75
BB: $20.55
UTG: $39.35
MP: $150.55
Hero (CO): $147.50

Pre Flop: Hero is CO with K A
1 fold, MP raises to $3, Hero raises to $12, 3 folds, MP raises to $25, Hero calls $13

Flop: ($51.50) K 5 6 (2 players)
MP checks, Hero ?