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would be really surprised if remizz77 is a bot i remeber seeing him limping a lot from the sb vs bb and he didnt play that many tables

my feeling says that pekarstars_86 and costguard85 are both bots just from their high volume and mass multibaling

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01-27-2014 , 03:24 PM

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demoneyez

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He had to be a mass volume multi tabler - for the $3.50 Hypers he was #1 on the Sharkscope Leaderboard for Profit in 2012 and was the profit leader in 2013 up until Nov when he opted out on the exact same day as AlsiyaKA(#2 on the Leaderboard) - maybe it's just coincidence, idk.

The one defense for remizz77 is that when he moved up to the $7.00 hypers for a brief period last year, he got crushed.

The other player you mention is PekarStas_86, not Pekarstars_86. I'm leaning towards him being a bot as well. He'd load tables faster than you can count. Of course, he's from Russia as well.

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01-27-2014 , 03:30 PM

#128

be water my friend

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I always had a strange feeling about costguard85... I wonder why somebody plays that many SnGs on $3,50 instead of going up the ladder and raise the BI levels...

But to be true, sometimes he acts really really slow (even sitting out coz he didn't react fast enough), typical mass grinder problem imo. I doubt somebody would program a bot with this pattern

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01-27-2014 , 03:56 PM

#129

Sauron92

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Pretty sure pekarstas has been around in all kinds of sng's - I know he used to play DoN's back in (I guess) 2010 or so. Don't think he is that likely to be a bot but more likely he is just a boku kinda guy.

Amakl I've always said was bot-like. 2almaz I remember adjusting but what do I know.

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01-27-2014 , 04:29 PM

#130

DaniFML

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Its pathetic that pokerstars rep yet didnt answer

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01-27-2014 , 04:34 PM

#131

OMGbabyjesus

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I got about 3 refunds each for around 50 bucks. My biggest concern about this though is ... tomorrow they will have new accounts right?

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01-27-2014 , 06:00 PM

#132

SootedPowa

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I have emailed stars security about this issue asking why I did not receive a refund after playing large amounts vs 2Almaz in particular. Not holding out much hope but we will see.

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01-27-2014 , 09:59 PM

#133

thelukystump

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Originally Posted by SootedPowa

I have emailed stars security about this issue asking why I did not receive a refund after playing large amounts vs 2Almaz in particular. Not holding out much hope but we will see.

Same here.

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01-27-2014 , 10:26 PM

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Solidthought

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f me. i didnt even think this kinda thing as possible

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01-27-2014 , 11:08 PM

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TomoDaK

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I think you guys forget sometimes you play a sng with cheater xyz and you win the sng, or the guy barely plays 1 hand vs you in it, or someone else busts you... You don't all get to have some massive refund and not everyone will get one either

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01-28-2014 , 03:06 AM

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thatbadboy

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asked for an investigation as i played 20K hands agains amakl and received basically the following feedback: "Unfortunately, upon review, your volume of play did not meet the minimum requirement in order to qualify for a compensatory credit".

strange there should be a minimum requirement but will ask ps if they can be a bit more specific!!

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01-28-2014 , 05:03 AM

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belthazorrrrr

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Originally Posted by Solidthought

f me. i didnt even think this kinda thing as possible

I dont believe that Almaz and Artetan were bots tbh. I think it is most likely they are banned because they were using illegal software (?) than being bots

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01-28-2014 , 05:53 AM

#138

ginandbread

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He could monitor them playing and intervene in difficult spots or just using it as ingame advisor, also that way he could solve captcha with no code.
This also explain as someone said that those two nicknames never played together because if they were fully automated bots it's waste of money for him to not play them simultaneously.

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01-28-2014 , 05:58 AM

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belthazorrrrr

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artetan played mainly 7$s last year, almaz played 15$+ thats why they didnt play together

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01-28-2014 , 06:18 AM

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SootedPowa

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Just received my reply from the "game integrity team". I don't think there is any problem copy pasting the important parts here, so here is the crucial section.

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"We are aware of the online discussion regarding purported actions taken against numerous PokerStars accounts. Unfortunately, we cannot confirm the exact accounts involved, or the specific reasons for their removal because to do so would be a breach of the privacy regulations that we operate under.

That being said, we can confirm that subsequent to a recent investigation, compensatory credits that are referenced in the TwoPlusTwo thread were processed. These credits were issued on the basis of theoretical harm done due to Terms of Service violations and were calculated to be proportional to the amount of tournaments and buy-ins that the players were exposed to. We did have to institute a minimum exposure cutoff to prevent a very large number of players each receiving a trivially small credit. We wanted to give meaningful credits to the players that were theoretically harmed the most.

Unfortunately, upon review, your volume of play did not meet the minimum requirement in order to qualify for a compensatory credit.
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I realise I do not have the volume of all you guys but nevertheless I have played thousands of SNGs with 2Almaz, all $60 or $30 9 man hypers.

As an educated guess Stars probably divided up whatever was in the accounts (not much) when they were busted and split it amongst the highest volume opponents. This "ring" has no doubt cashed out a lot of our/other players money over the past year or so.

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01-28-2014 , 08:13 AM

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belthazorrrrr

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

This could be true if the sample is small. When you have played 20k-30k sngs (not hands) against these players your refund cant be <1k

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01-28-2014 , 08:18 AM

#142

SootedPowa

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Originally Posted by TomoDaK

I agree with what you are saying in that its possible to win when people are cheating against you etc, but in the reply I got from stars it does say they based the refunds on theoretical (not actual) harm

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01-28-2014 , 09:15 AM

#143

DaniFML

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Guess cheaters gonna cheat cashout their winnings and spread some cookies 100-500 refunds around reg pool and everybody should be happy,
hmm yea right cool story bro !

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01-28-2014 , 10:09 AM

#144

belthazorrrrr

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You do understand that they could hide this issue and dont give a refund to anyone. right?

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01-28-2014 , 10:19 AM

#145

rwbug

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Don't really understand people getting hung up on refunds, pretty clear the accounts were withdrawing and not enough left to distribute.

I am more concerned with game integrity and if they are winning in 25bb games with post flop I can only imagine what is happening in 10bb sats. I think I would agree to Stars being more intrusive for game security reasons.

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01-28-2014 , 10:58 AM

#146

piteiracorp

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imo people argue about the funds since they were the only ones affected, you see Stars didn't lost a dime here.

how much they will lose longterm due to lack of integrity on this issue is another whole story they are prob evaluating atm, and this can sound pathetic but could be prevented if they refunded the affected people accordingly (in regard of past cases, not mentioning future security improvements).

what if this was a HU bot and players could determine near precisely how much they got robbed, do you think Stars would assume the responsibility and give their own money? just wondering.

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01-28-2014 , 11:47 AM

#147

belthazorrrrr

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Originally Posted by piteiracorp

how much they will lose longterm due to lack of integrity on this issue is another whole story they are prob evaluating atm, and this can sound pathetic but could be prevented if they refunded the affected people accordingly (in regard of past cases, not mentioning future security improvements).

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Yeah everyone will stop playing at stars now and they ll move to ongame

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01-28-2014 , 11:58 AM

#148

GuySmiley

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Unfortunately, we cannot confirm the exact accounts involved, or the specific reasons for their removal because to do so would be a breach of the privacy regulations that we operate under.

I'd be very interested in the privacy regulations that prohibit the outings of nicknames involved in cheating. Last time I checked a nickname doesn't have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

Bit lame of Stars to refer to privacy regulations, without being specific. Nearly impossible that such regulations exist and just an easy way out to avoid that it is clear that Stars can't explain nor take responsibility for their own actions.

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01-28-2014 , 12:02 PM

#149

DaniFML

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Originally Posted by belthazorrrrr

You do understand that they could hide this issue and dont give a refund to anyone. right?

Ofc but if its gonna be fair then lets be fair we both played with 2almaz,artetan, Mbuilin...
You know how much games we played with people who violated their TOS and Pokerstars rep cant even come here and make a statement...Common!
I know that i need to be happy with what you/I got but common bro are you leveling me and saying that those refund is fair ?! Why the **** they still dont want to make a statement guess there is much bigger things behind these curtains ?!

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01-28-2014 , 12:15 PM

#150

F### Forever

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Originally Posted by Rusemandingo

Obv in games that have all the traffic any player needs bots are bad for everyone. But in games where it's nearly impossible to ever get the max table count you want, bots are going to be good for your bottom line assuming your winrate loss is offset by the increased game frequency. I am sincerely telling you I made thousands of dollars more from bck when i only played 9m hyp because of 2almaz's existence. Having that extra 1/9 in the game lobby makes it that much more attractive to recs lobby hopping looking for some quick action. And gives the recs already waiting the hope to wait a little bit longer.

He always regged like fifth, sixth or seventh. He never ever opensat or so.

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