Played over 25k hands vs Amakl and was refunded 21.10$ some how this is "appropriate compensation?" Cool.

Do you realize what we pay in rake? Or that the entire system of online poker revolves around faithful regulars trusting a company?

I DO think that it would be fair for the company who took in all of the rake for these games to actually "appropriately compensate" it's players who THEY allowed to be cheated for years. How a grinder who pays 6 figures a year in rake could have a different opinion is beyond me.

How the **** they did a good job when they didnt protect their players/costumers ?! I think they didnt as all situation lasted too long and they havent react in time... As you can see in my first mail what i c/p here they said that they had not just only one appeal after those players and they reacted after players won over 50+ k$ ?!?! Thats for you fair that bots wins money in your game, as Almaz was nr1 ranked by profit in 2k13 dafuq ?!

Just ignore the toolbox lol

Can we have steve/lee in here pls..ill try to contact those geeks when im home

You will last long on this site.

It's really not that black and white and if Stars had that policy there wouldn't be a Stars.

2Almaz 3811 games $7.
maxkorb 1322 games $3.5.
MBuilin 479 games $3.5.
artetan 269 games $7.
marazari 16 games $3.5.

So haven't play that many games against them compared to others here; $36 is my biggest refund by far though.

maxkorb and MBuilin made me go bad in $3.5!

Makes me wonder how many more like these are still working...They didn't do a good job imo.

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Oh I just had a moment of dyslexia

I have played loads with 2almaz and received no refund

Attn Mods, if we can somehow change the title to attract a PokerStars rep, that'd be great.

Here's a better idea, get in contact with them and direct them to the thread.....I doubt Baard will see this when he comes in to post in the PS suggestion thread, and I doubt even more so that another PS rep even makes it in to STTF

It's not like the money theyd pay out in compensation would come out of the CEO's pocket. It'd be a cost the company would incur that would effect operations. My point is having all players incur the costs of botting equally isnt fair when people who dont play bottable games are paying the same costs as those who do.

And online poker revolves around there being fish period. Regs choose riskier sites all the time because the games are softer. And be careful how you use the word "cheated" because at least in 9m i bet there are a lot of people posting ITT that made money from the bots existing due to increased volume not being overcome by the fact one spot was being taken up by a bot rather than a random.

My main point is that everyone needs to chill and think rationally about how these bots effected their bottom line. The formula Bot made $X and i was 1/8 players in Y% of his games so I was cheated out of Z dollars is absurd. And what the effects of having the costs of botting be incurred equally across the player pool rather than having the people who play bottable games incur the risk.


Dani I see what youre saying but similar to what Entim said Stars is leaps and bounds ahead of everyone else in the industry and "good job" is obv a relative term. I doubt they got your info and sat on it for a year. There's tons of players (myself included) that play massive amounts of games routinely for long sessions. Maybe these other bots needed to come along and play enough hands for the data to be there to draw stronger conclusions.

i have over 12k hands in my database with amakl and didnt get a refund.

i think stars should only give fish/losing players a direct cash refund and all other regulars should get a bonus added to their account.

That maxkorb guy too?

This is a hand I posted a month ago against him (it) , hmm strange play for a bot imo

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/36...t-reg-1399782/

[] good in detecting bot "players"

I have played over 20k games against them (combined) (amakl played 9m hypers too)

Stars refund me 97$s. Of course better than no money, but everyone can understand.......................

PSes lack of transparancy in these cases makes it hard for us to judge them, which I'm sure they like . We don't know which rules they broke and how often, from what I read in this thread 2Almaz certainly doesn't fit the profile of a pure bot. Most likely he played a decent % of his games himself, maybe even all and he was caught botting under another nickname or whatever.

I agree it's worrying that he played so long, but this doesn't mean that 2Almaz botted 250k games or whatever amount he's played and only now just got caught.

PS should take the amount of money he had saved up in rewards/rakeback and refund that among the players as well. They took the rake for all those games, might as well give the rewards back to the players he cheated rather than pocketing it themselves

Wow, that's really a sick story. Would be really nice to hear a statement of a PokerStars representative in this special case (ban the #1 in the profit leaderboard 2013 is kind of sick).

not really when you player drooler to mid stakes but are able to crank ridic volume

true story (in a year or so).bot machine catching from cam screen(s) in real play and processing it in (not connected to the internet) computer(icm calc with callinf /pushiing ranges assumed on any player history)..results instantly given to a player who in fact is playing (clicking) . No way it would be recognized

True story: that theoried technological capability has existed for years. There's absolutely no doubt that current bot technology could be running such capabilities now if their coder is savvy.

switching to cash instantly..

http://www.sharkscope.com/#Player-St...ayers/remizz77

this is a bot @$3.50

did you know a hole card sharing bot ring destroyed cash games over multiple networks for hundreds of thousands?

inb4 im quitting poker