^easy, play 250bb deep cash tables

at least pokerstars tries to fight bots/cheating, on most networks nothing is done against botting/collusion, on some bots are welcome and some even implent inhouse bots

Meca or Gramps, any solution? 2 good poker brains, what can be done?

Ive heard people talk about inhouse bots, can you link me to a thread about it?
Im curious and wanna read about them..




would you guys assume the 7/15 9man hypers are the safest games to play in right now given the current scandal??

Definitely not

Learn how to exploit their patterns (like any player). If you have online friends and think someone's a bot, see if other people agree and report suspicious accounts for Stars to look at. That's all you can really do. At least Stars cares about the perception of it's player base re: bots (unlike most sites).

There's even a few players in high stakes hypers who play "bot-like" in certain structural ways, but I don't think they're true bots. More AI-assisted (for better or worse).

Vic if by by safe you mean no chance of bots then no, one of the most easily bottable games at the most profitable stakes for botting are most likely not safe.

Here's the thread you seem to be looking for

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...dition-255990/

For those who played against the bots and kept stats etc, did the bots push fold strictly according to Nash, or was it more involved, aka pushing wider vs opponents with tighter HUD calling stats etc?

If a bot was able to make that much money doing nothing other than push folding according to nash, and 3 betting allin regardless of sizing etc...that would be extremely interesting.

I mean its possible they were just push/fold according to nash considering they were playin $3-$15s I believe. Not like these bots were beating $60+ hypers. But also, I think it has been mentioned by numerous people that they noticed these "bots" play different styles at times.

Ive got a ton of stats on the "main" offender. He most definitely adjusted to me heads up. In the beginning he had a sb open of like 85% (bear in mind most of the HU in this is 15bb eff and lower) but over the last few months I played him it went down to below 70%. Im talking huge samples here so I dont think card distro has much to do with this. This seems to jive with a thinking player who is gonna go a bit wider than nash to start since your avg opponent isnt calling wide enough, and then backing off once you see youre not gonna be able to get away with it.

I also find his bvb play very interesting early game. He was flatting a wide range of hands and only 3b a relatively small amount of the time. This jives more with a thinking player who is willing to play post IP than a bot that would do much better rejamming and having to deal with the more complicated postflop less often. Obv you can program a bot to play post flop but the amount of coding and actual poker knowledge needed to do something like this just doesnt seem to make any sense for the return.

I have a lot more stats and observations but doing it in public not only helps future bottors but points some fish that may be reading it in the right direction in terms of improvement. If anyone is interested in an email chain or skype group to compare lmk.

Id say a pure icm bot could have beaten the 30/9m hypers when they first came out and continued to for at least a few months. Def couldnt now even with decent rb and havent played too many 15s but ive heard those are reggy too and idk if a bot would fare well at those.

Going forward, posts better be much more constructive like the examples we've seen in the past day from Gramps, Sheets, Ruse (mcc3504 and dybboss too) or I'm handing out infractions.

My head has hurt every time I've opened this thread due to the amount of pure nonsense that has been spewed out of many of you.

if it was a bot, i'd say that if a few improvements were made it would be pretty hard to detect and could make a truck load. it adjusted to me after a little bit in a few spots that stick out

this one would've gotten annihilated at 60s+ tho

Jdawg :flex:

saw him today @$3.50
probably not a bot

got $90ish, didnt even realize why But I guess this makes sense now!

location

amakl was nice guy. I was playing at that time 7$ hyper turbos
Hi practically played EVERY DAY abaout 10 hours and made 400 games sessions and 12k+sng for month
His roi was 3% and leading 7$ shakrscope
At that time i thought that he is grazy russian who multitables outside the Moscow and 4k$ could be nice money for him for month
Even utg 25bb pushes (aq+,99+) wasnt suspicious, becouse i assumed he puts effort to the volume and uses all-in or fold buttons. Nevertheless he still gained 3% roi, because there was plenty of idiots who called his utg 25 blind push 33,ax for example...but 3-handed icm and hu was ok
I bet that style he would have not beaten 15 or above levels

I tried to talk with him but he never answered me. And i sorried for him for being busy

i had 4k hands on this guy... flop cbet 100%, turn cbet 0% over 4k hands...exploited it all day while playing vs him

As i read remizz77 being mentioned multiple times, i have to agree with the fact he's very bot-like. I don't have the biggest sample on him, just 6k hands.

The biggest reason for me that he is possible a bot is the fact that he has a 100% fold to bb raise when he open limps in sb. I have been raising in bb on his sb atc now for a while now and he has never called my raise. I even saw a couple times when he limps sb with 4BB and folds to raise everytime...

Any human being would at least pick up this tell vs someone who he plays against daily on multiple tables. The only reason i see for him not adjusting might be because he doesn't see my name and table pic. But how is that possible ? For those who wonder how many times this has happened and if he really folds 100%. The answer is a lot and yes 100% guaranteed he folds.

For me that is not human thinking, he must be a monkey trained to play the same way every time without adjusting or he is a bot programmed to do the same thing.

Also the guy before me mentioned, 100% cbet, it's true. As i can understand some players cbetting 100%, i don't understand how someone can limpfold sb 100% vs me doing it atc.

Im sure pokerstars has looked into him already as im sure someone reported this guy already. So im kinda shocked he really is human, i can't imagine how his brain works, it must be a monkey, but i guess even monkey's would adjust after making the same mistake a zillion times. Something really strange about remizz77 and i just can't figure it out.

Here is screenshot of those stats;
http://prntscr.com/3ol7l1

I have a tone o games vs amakl where the **** is my refund stars?

guy has tons o games and now he's a bot?

ffs

Lol... where is this dude? I want to crush his behind...

Shut up jdawg

100% sure remizz77 is a bot or more plays on his account. See earlier. All stats are the same. He plays 24-7. Stars must be a joke. i know a zillion people reported him. 3 russians locked their sharkscope the same day last year....Yesterday afternoon i saw him play and it was 22 tables and more, 9 evening the same. Went to sleep at 11 wake up at 2 at night russian time 4 at night, who is there? Remizz. Woke up 7 in morning 9 morning russia time, guess what remizz boting 22 games and more....I guess he brings traffic to 3.50s....:-). Its just lol. Every hand he/she/them plays the same.

Hi Lasse Ekman,

If you're "100% sure", then you must have conclusive evidence. If that's the case, you should email support@pokerstars.com with that information.

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Your post has nothing to do with this thread, so it has been deleted. There is no real need to post about it.