*** OFFICIAL Stars 2012 STT Discussion Thread ***

Official thread for improving/ideas SNG (STT Strategy) on stars 2012.

so i'll start

1. estimate on hypers decision please?
2. equity chop button when HU in a stt
ie: in 9man with 50%-30%-20% payout, both players are gtd on 30% and you are choping remaining 20% based on chips

Higher Hyperturbo 9max buy ins please.

Can you make changes to VIP levels optional for a year after negotiations?

Can you agree not to introduce new games above a certain rake level by game type for a year after negotiations?

For hypers, my own personal request would be $15 AND $30 9 man. Then every stake above that obv just 6m. And I guess that stake can go as ridiculously high as anyone wants. Why any of the sat regs would be bothered that it would disrupt their games is beyond me because over here you can haz 15bbs!! That would obv mean the sat regs would pile on over and more reg infestation would take place but that's just gonna be part and parcel of higher stakes of any kind, really.

the plo stt section is a bloody joke

steve, its not cool to determine stuff right in the middle of hangover from a 3day party.

i require plo 6max hypers with the std BI levels above the poor lone soul 7$ wtf morans.
note:15,30,60,100,200,500

i mean same should be done with nlhe, but im lobbyin for plo now.scandis come man!

also the 6max plo turbos, erm.
7,15,30,500 ???

i mean, hilo at least has a 60 and a 100.

thats all a pretty dead section honey, and its just bec u guys r maltreatin it.wont take the incompetence thing in my mouth.

oh wait i did.


i expect quick action, and a candlelightdinner as minimum compensation.

Welcome Walmsley.

I hope that this thread is not allowed to become another 'moar hypers' platform, you guys have already been spamming two other threads for a while now, it's not like your message has gone unheard.

I believe that the travesty which was the May 6th changes to SNGs did lasting damage to the SNG environment. How about doing something to reinvigorate the SNG playerpool. A one-off (or annual...bi-annual) reload bonus which can only be cleared by playing SNGs (hu through 180s) would be the perfect way to achieve this. SNG players are generally neglected when it comes to promos. The ring game players get most of the love; the Milestone hands seem to come around every couple of months. I'm sure a majority of MTTers, and a large percentage of cash-game players, would play SNGs for a while to clear the bonus, in addition to all the recreational players that would re-deposit to get the bonus. A proper reload bonus too, none of this $10/single entry to an $11 tournament rubbish.

If it turns into a more hypers please thread its because thats what the people want. And excuse me if im not happy with the cookie cutter "its a top priority" response weve been getting for months now.

At a minimum add a 15 dollar 9m hyper. This would allow you to further study the impact this would have on the games.

Along what pushy said about bringing ppl back to sngs, something similar to the sngmadness that tilt had would be a good idea imo. 2 hour blocks with points awarded for finishing position and leaderboard for different buyin tiers.

Id also (for selfish reasons) like to see leaderboards geared towards month long volume. Both tilt and Merge had this and it really motivates regs to put volume in and increases how much we rake. You can devalue the points awarded for hypers since they have a quicker turnover time.

^ Sounds like a great idea pushy, not just for the free money value but for the spike in recreational players that always hits on a reload bonus.

Sorry Pushy, but...

More hypers please: $15 6man and throw those 9mans regs a $15 one while you are at it (just to keep the whining down... kidding)

^ Pushy's sng reload idea is a great one. Lots of promos to encourage cash especially with milestones (I go play for the big ones) not alot if any for sng's.

Russ your idea about month leaderboards is nice but I prefer just a bigger block in BOP maybe 2500 games. I don't remember exactly but I think but I think FT leaderboard was fairly bias to the game you play.

lower the rake to about 7% as it was before the changes may 2011 (15+1 = 6.66%)

6% at 30$
5.5 % at 60$
5% at 100$ etc but its never gonna happen, as usual

more 9man hypers.

a short period of time the software was superfast, a 9man stt turbo had about 80-90 hands, there was more edge and higher roi possible. now its as slow as before :-(

fyp

I think one of the main reasons Stars doesn't do regular reload bonuses is because they're giving away a tonne of free money to grinders who would have played anyway, so maybe they do not see the gain being worth the revenue loss.

How about doing targeted reload bonuses offered to a specific segment of the population.

for example, a reload to guys who's accounts have been inactive for more than a month, or who are down money over the last month. Basically targeting recreational players.

The grinders win because fish are around longer, and stars get more bang for their buck.

Love the reload that can only be cleared via sngs idea too.

A week-long "Magic Ticket" promotion (actually, some much better name for it than that ) that includes 6-man, 9-man, and 18-man SNGs. About ~10% (?) of rake from SNGs for the week goes to the prizes, so it is a short-term Stars giveaway.

If you win "x" number of 18-mans, "2x" 9-mans, or "3x" 6-mans, you get a Ticket, like a raffle. Tie a deposit bonus of free tickets to the promotion to further encourage extra $$ onto the site. At the end of the week, for each ticket you hold, you get a chance at the various prizes that are drawn and distributed.

Break it down by buyin like the Battle of the Planets Leaderboard. A couple of packages to an EPT, APPT, etc. even for each level, on top of cash prizes (most pretty small with a few larger ones mixed in), and entry into a $100k Double Shootout. Etc.

Basically, the shot at the big score that rec/casual players love, and a bit of extra $$ to the grinders & everyone for a week, as well as the benefit of the increase in traffic.

this sounds like a great idea, i am tired of cash games getting all the love. all we have is the BOP and you have to run hotter than the sun to win it

Better SnG leaderboard stuff both weekly and monthly that not only includes 45 and 180m players, but is also geared towards skill AND volume. Won't happen.

Seriously do this. Figure out a scalable 6 - 180 man sng leaderboard.

-SNG happy hours. Double VPPs, one hour 2x a week. Exclude HU if you need to to prevent abuse.

-SNG tickets in the store! Having equal buy in levels at each stake should make SNG tickets an obvious addition to the store.

-Race to 1 billion tournaments similair to the cash games promo, every 50 million some festivities ****

Some good ideas in here guys!

Reload bonus for sng's good.

Revamped Battle of the planets good.

equity chop when heads up good.


Any promotions would be nice for us sng peeps as we are soooo neglected.

If your looking to expand sng programming on stars tv, let me know as I have a idea which could include some posters in here.

Also are you guys happy with these odd payouts in sngs from last May's changes? Are stars planning buy in changes again? Like 1.50 buy in is a lil steep in my books and I have lost 3% ROI cause you changed it to that amount, and 3.50 to 7.00 is steep, I miss 5.50 buy in's .

Scrap battle of the planets -> reduce rake.

I would sacrifice every possible hope of bonus promotions, including BOP, for lower rake.

The more you lower rake the harder the games become, to the point where it almost exactly cancels each other out. Seen it time and time again over the years.

The last 3 posts boggle my mind to oblivion.

Def SNG Tickets at all levels of buyin in the store at the 0.016 return.

Why? (i know it is plain wrong i am just curious about the logic behind your statement...)