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12-16-2014 , 02:12 PM
Villain is a very loose/agro player who is raising most hands from the BTN so I decide to defend hoping to hit a flop vs his random range. He cbets 100% and has a Afq of 75% on the flop. Now, I know this was fishy from me on the flop, mainly because I wasn't sure what to do. How would you guys play this hand vs this villain pre and post? If at all!

PokerStars - $1.29+$0.21|50/100 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

CO: 33.96 BB (VPIP: 43.84, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 75)
BTN: 30.96 BB (VPIP: 45.95, PFR: 31.51, 3Bet Preflop: 4.76, Hands: 75)
SB: 1.1 BB (VPIP: 28.07, PFR: 3.54, 3Bet Preflop: 2.04, Hands: 116)
Hero (BB): 23.98 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K T

fold, BTN raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero calls 1.5 BB

Flop: (5.5 BB, 2 players) J Q 3
Hero checks, BTN bets 4.12 BB, Hero calls 4.12 BB

Turn: (13.74 BB, 2 players) 8
Hero checks, BTN bets 6.87 BB, fold

BTN wins 13.74 BB

Cheers in advance.
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12-16-2014 , 04:23 PM
Fine if you want to defend but that turn is effectively a brick, he'll be double barrelling there a ton. I think we have to show some aggression at some point if we want him to stop raising every button. He'll raise and cbet because it's so profitable playing vs someone who plays fit/fold on the flop. You could raise turn, we have 10 outs even if he has a queen, although he'll probably reraise if he does. I think a check raise on the flop is fine too if he's raising the button as often as you say he is
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12-16-2014 , 05:00 PM
x/raise flop, shove any non Q/J/T/3 turn. x/shove flop is fine too.
as played x/shove turn or x/c both seem close, i'd not fold without some strong read.

I mean if he's cbetting that wide (any reads on sizing here?) it's pretty easy, he's just going to be folding a ton and we should have good enough equity when called. Would be happy to get more in depth needed.

Last edited by SiQ; 12-16-2014 at 05:07 PM.
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12-16-2014 , 05:28 PM
What SiQ said pretty much. My first thought when I saw that flop was "oh good, here's one we can x/raise confidently" and then I felt a bit limp when you didn't do it.
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12-17-2014 , 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ajzkvx
Fine if you want to defend but that turn is effectively a brick, he'll be double barrelling there a ton. I think we have to show some aggression at some point if we want him to stop raising every button. He'll raise and cbet because it's so profitable playing vs someone who plays fit/fold on the flop. You could raise turn, we have 10 outs even if he has a queen, although he'll probably reraise if he does. I think a check raise on the flop is fine too if he's raising the button as often as you say he is
Yes, makes sense! He is quite wild and is very agro, because, like you say, it works! So why not? I would raise every BTN myself until someone adjusts. He is doing the same.

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x/raise flop, shove any non Q/J/T/3 turn. x/shove flop is fine too.
as played x/shove turn or x/c both seem close, i'd not fold without some strong read.

I mean if he's cbetting that wide (any reads on sizing here?) it's pretty easy, he's just going to be folding a ton and we should have good enough equity when called. Would be happy to get more in depth needed.
Firstly, I enjoy reading your articles and watching your videos SiQ , thanks.

Secondly, yes, this has opened my eyes (both previous comments). I tend to be passive and 'have to hit big' vs real agro players to continue without considering they are almost certainly betting with air or marginals a lot. Very fit or fold. Which in fact is very exploitable! This is probably a habit I developed years back but have never changed it, definitely a leak of mine. I literally didn't consider playing back at him. Not embarrassed to say it and admit my faults. That is how we learn quicker.

I have had this assumption that we need to 'hit big' or not continue for fear of spewing. Without really seeing the bigger picture regarding villains ranges and how they are thinking. When in fact by check calling I am actually spewing more!!! Just playing into their hands.

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..and then I felt a bit limp when you didn't do it.
There is literally a whole host of replies to this Monkey ha ha
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12-17-2014 , 06:03 PM
raise on flop wil be better
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12-18-2014 , 10:20 AM
You should fold flop before you call. Chasing draws oop is generally a terrible plan.

x/r is definitely best imo.
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12-18-2014 , 01:59 PM
i would call on flop, because our opponent is either going to be building a big pot which benefits us if we hit our straight on the turn, or he is going to check, so we can steal the river. I would also fold to a turn bet.
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