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10-31-2014 , 12:55 PM
So, first hand on $.50 FR Turbo... Any thoughts?



    Poker Stars, $0.44 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 9 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #32229372

    BTN: 1,500 (75 bb)
    SB: 1,500 (75 bb)
    BB: 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+1: 1,500 (75 bb)
    UTG+2: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP1: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP2: 1,500 (75 bb)
    MP3: 1,500 (75 bb)
    Hero (CO): 1,500 (75 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is CO with Q Q
    3 folds, MP2 raises to 40, MP3 folds, Hero raises to 120, BTN folds, SB calls 110, BB calls 100, MP2 raises to 1,500 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,380 and is all-in, SB calls 1,380 and is all-in, BB calls 1,380 and is all-in

    Flop: (6,000) 8 5 4 (4 players, 4 are all-in)
    Turn: (6,000) K (4 players, 4 are all-in)
    River: (6,000) A (4 players, 4 are all-in)

    Spoiler:
    Results: 6,000 pot
    Final Board: 8 5 4 K A
    SB showed J J and lost (-1,500 net)
    BB showed 2 2 and lost (-1,500 net)
    MP2 showed K K and won 6,000 (4,500 net)
    Hero showed Q Q and lost (-1,500 net)



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    11-01-2014 , 02:28 AM
    Fold, you will get better spots to win some chips
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    11-01-2014 , 11:02 AM
    I wouldnt fold QQ here in the first hand of a 0.5$ tourney.
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    11-01-2014 , 11:39 AM
    Easy call - unlucky to get overcalled twice - not sure if I would have overcalled with JJ after 2 all-in's - definitely not with 22 which hopefully answers your other question about whether these games are beatable.
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    11-01-2014 , 12:17 PM
    I think I could fold after the whole action... Raise, 3bet, two calls and a shove, especially as I was in the beginning of the STT... But still a close decision for me
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    11-01-2014 , 10:17 PM
    Not close at all. You played the hand fine. People call 3bets cold with dog**** hands all the time.
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    11-03-2014 , 11:51 AM
    His hand isn't good enough to 4-bet shove with anything less than Kings imo. He would probablyl shove QQ though He might shove JJ or less but I would have to think this would only be as a semi-bluff. I don't believe it is a good move in general.

    I generally don't fold QQ in this situation especially after I've already invested money in the pot. It may be correct to but I generally don't because some people think it is a good idea to 4-bet shove loose. Even I have done it on occasion with hands like JJ (and then chastised myself afterwards).

    Actually after looking at those extra two calls I'm actually more inclined to call. People don't generally cold call with the nuts at the stakes I play. You've got a lot of potential dead money
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    11-03-2014 , 04:58 PM
    Juggle folding in a 50 cent buyin without a helluva read is really bad. It's not that unlikely that this guy just shows up with A5s or some bull****

    I disagree that from his perspective we can only jam KK+, this assumes cutoff will never be 3bet bluffing or raising light for value against a min open and is just straight top value and/or that the 1st cold caller is super nutted.

    Second and more importantly it doesn't matter what he should do! It only matters what he is likely to do / will do. Do not make logical conclusions about what a player should do with hand A in spot B and then assign that to some random fish in a low stakes games.
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    11-04-2014 , 10:53 AM
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    Originally Posted by TomoDaK
    Juggle folding in a 50 cent buyin without a helluva read is really bad. It's not that unlikely that this guy just shows up with A5s or some bull****

    I disagree that from his perspective we can only jam KK+, this assumes cutoff will never be 3bet bluffing or raising light for value against a min open and is just straight top value and/or that the 1st cold caller is super nutted.

    Second and more importantly it doesn't matter what he should do! It only matters what he is likely to do / will do. Do not make logical about what a player should do with hand A in spot B and then assign that to some random fish in a low stakes games.
    Actually, I agree that with dead money in the pot I would probably be jamming weaker hands than KK as well. This is based not on what is correct but on the fact that people cold call too often with hands like 33 (as this example shows).

    I misread the problem at first.

    Anyway I don't generally play stakes this low since I am a bad multitabler.
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    11-05-2014 , 02:27 AM
    In a 50 cent hyper tournament with no reads and that much in the pot already??? I'm insta-calling that shove. I think you played it perfectly.

    SB and BB all in calls seems just awful.. I insta-call that precisely because there are a lot of players like SB and BB.

    FWIW I'd fold if I had two allins before me with QQ. (Call with KK and obviously AA), though I'm a nit...
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    11-05-2014 , 01:05 PM
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    Originally Posted by Ramadoth
    SB and BB all in calls seems just awful.. I insta-call that precisely because there are a lot of players like SB and BB.
    I think these two players calling behind w/JJ and 22 show the level of play you can experience at the $.50 level. With that in mind, I think your call w/QQ there is fine because while the guy who 4-bets all in may have KK or AA, he may also have JJ, AK, AQ, maybe 10s or 9s, or he could just have something crazy like J10. That's all to say that I think that's a winning call in the long run at the $.50 level.
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